Java tools: Is eclipse everything what I need ?

In this moment I use only a free version of JCreator as a java editor, but I
want learn more about java so I need a powerfull and complete java tool for
everything on one place. I was thinking that eclipse with all its plugins
maybe can be the tool of that kind. So the question is: if I have eclipse,
what kind of java tool I also need which eclipse doesn't support?

Hi Dado,

Dado wrote:
> In this moment I use only a free version of JCreator as a java editor, but
 I
> want learn more about java so I need a powerfull and complete java tool fo
r
> everything on one place. I was thinking that eclipse with all its plugins
> maybe can be the tool of that kind. So the question is: if I have eclipse,
> what kind of java tool I also need which eclipse doesn't support?

This depends on what you want to do. If you want to program
server-applications, you need a servlet-container like tomcat. If you
want to program GUI-applications, a GUI-builder might be useful...

Of course, there are plugins for eclipse that support those things,
although they are not part of the "standard-distribution" of eclipse.
(Like VE/GEF/...)

A special profiler-plugin might be useful as well (although i did not
find any (free) good one, yet...)

The list might be long depending on what your purposes are.

Ciao,
Ingo

Howdy

What about NetBeans ? It has a GUI builder, J2EE, J2SE,J2ME support and a
whole lot more bundled into two easy downloads. Plus it appears to be a bit
friendlier than Eclipse, especially if you don't like messing around with
configuration files to get a million plugins to work together. Since both
are free, why not try both out and see which one appeals to you the most?
The beauty of Java is that as long as you don't use IDE vendor-specific
libraries, you can always switch around IDE's until you find what you are
looking for.

Groete

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> Howdy
>
> What about NetBeans ? It has a GUI builder, J2EE, J2SE,J2ME support and a
> whole lot more bundled into two easy downloads. Plus it appears to be a
> bit
> friendlier than Eclipse, especially if you don't like messing around with
> configuration files to get a million plugins to work together. Since both
> are free, why not try both out and see which one appeals to you the most?
> The beauty of Java is that as long as you don't use IDE vendor-specific
> libraries, you can always switch around IDE's until you find what you are
> looking for.
>
> Groete
>
> --
> Ewald Horn
> Business Manager
> NoFuss Solutions
> South Africa / Suid Afrika
> Tel : +27 (0)83 305 3556
> Web : http://www.nofusspos.com
> Email / E-pos : ewald@nofusspos.com
>
>

Just for my 2 cents. I prefer Eclipse 3.x with myEclipse plugin. It's very
reasonable and they charge on a yearly basis. I would go through the Eclipse
tutorials. If you want to use generics or enum, then you will need to get
the 3.1 release. As of right now, it hasn't been released yet, but you can
get a pretty stable 3.1M7 which is their final release candidate.

--
Tom Dyess
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Dado wrote:
> In this moment I use only a free version of JCreator as a java editor, but
 I
> want learn more about java so I need a powerfull and complete java tool fo
r
> everything on one place. I was thinking that eclipse with all its plugins
> maybe can be the tool of that kind. So the question is: if I have eclipse,
> what kind of java tool I also need which eclipse doesn't support?
>

Make sure you have lots of processing power and copious amounts of
memory, Eclipse is a hungry beastie.  Actually for learning, a compiler
and text editor force you into learning stuff that the IDE allows you to
ignore.  Multiple windows can always be used to handle different
functions.

Besides if you plan on doing it professionally, there will be that time,
at 4:00am at a client when you need to fix something and the Internet
is not working, and all you can stuff on the CD is a compiler for a
couple of platforms, so your sitting there with only notepad or Vi
available.  If you don't know what your doing, then your sunk.

Every professional programmer should know the basics of Vi, every
Unix/Linux box has a version of Vi on it.  For windows, Vi is available
(Winvi) and quite small, the executable is 370K, the zip file is 189K.

W

The Wogster wrote:
> Dado wrote:
> 
>
> Make sure you have lots of processing power and copious amounts of
> memory, Eclipse is a hungry beastie.  Actually for learning, a compiler
> and text editor force you into learning stuff that the IDE allows you to
> ignore.  Multiple windows can always be used to handle different functions
.
>
> Besides if you plan on doing it professionally, there will be that time,
>  at 4:00am at a client when you need to fix something and the Internet
> is not working, and all you can stuff on the CD is a compiler for a
> couple of platforms, so your sitting there with only notepad or Vi
> available.  If you don't know what your doing, then your sunk.
>
> Every professional programmer should know the basics of Vi, every
> Unix/Linux box has a version of Vi on it.  For windows, Vi is available
> (Winvi) and quite small, the executable is 370K, the zip file is 189K.
>
> W

Or jEdit. Small jar file, couple that with the jdk of choice and off you
go - a complete and portable multi-platform development kit for those
emergency situations...

Pan

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NetBeans is Ok, but I can't edit the source which it generates.
It isn't problem for developing j2sdk, desktop applications, but rigth now I
was thinking about step over -> j2EE and developing web applications.
Specifically, I want to add some web comunication element to  my desktop
application.

Yes, you can't edit the code directly, but you can override almost
everything by addind custom functions, for instance, you can insert custom
creation code when you are designing a form by using the options under the
"CODE" section where it says "Properties Events Code".

Hope this helps.

Regards

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Ewald Horn
Business Manager
NoFuss Solutions
South Africa / Suid Afrika
Tel : +27 (0)83 305 3556
Web : http://www.nofusspos.com
Email / E-pos : ewald@nofusspos.com