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Thanks for posting this. There are like 3 Cobol programmer jobs
available and you want them to be outsourced to India. Companies like
yours are killing us.

On 18 May 2005 04:41:27 -0700, "Jeff" <jmoore207@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thanks for posting this. There are like 3 Cobol programmer jobs
>available and you want them to be outsourced to India. Companies like
>yours are killing us.

American schools don't teach mainframe skills; Indian schools do, and
crank out 20K graduates per year. As American Cobol programmers die
and retire, India expects to pick up the jobs because they're the only
ones equipped.

Whose fault is that? American schools? Ding, ding, ding.

On Thu, 19 May 2005 01:47:58 GMT, Robert Wagner
<spamblocker-robert@wagner.net> wrote:

>On 18 May 2005 04:41:27 -0700, "Jeff" <jmoore207@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>
>American schools don't teach mainframe skills; Indian schools do, and
>crank out 20K graduates per year. As American Cobol programmers die
>and retire, India expects to pick up the jobs because they're the only
>ones equipped.
>
>Whose fault is that? American schools? Ding, ding, ding.

The market in the United States and Canada isn't good for COBOL
programmers, and frankly I think that North American business is
slowly outsourcing everything to other companies not realizing that
they need people who understand the business maintaining the
customization of the code be it COBOL programs, Java, or the
customization done in tables and exits to package of choice or
affliction.  I know that the local community college in Middletown,
Nova Scotia, Canada isn't teaching COBOL because none of the potential
employers need COBOL programmers.  Delphi is in demand.

Major companies are outsourcing the manufacture of their products
because somehow making the goods they put their name on isn't their
"core" competency (Nike anyone).  In this environment, why would
maintaining the code or even that portion that is unique to the
organization be considered something the company would want to do?
Note that whether we are talking about procedural COBOL or the latest
stable OO methodology, the question still remains.  The developer  in
India, Russia or China is far cheaper than their North American or
European counterpart and on average as competent.   According to a
posting on bit.listserv.techwr-l sometime back one of the major
aircraft  industry manufacturers (GE engines I think) outsourced the
writing of their technical manuals to a company in South America.
Given this trend, I can see North American schools not seeing the
value in teaching COBOL or business programming.

I think that the shareholders need to ask whether we need to have
North American top management or if we can get it cheaper overseas.  I
have serious doubts that they could be on average less competent than
the people who ran AT&T for the past 15 years.  The bozos perfected
buy high, ruin the purchase and sell low.  Remember NCR.  I think they
recovered from the AT&T takeover and divestiture syndrome.

On Thu, 19 May 2005 01:47:58 GMT, Robert Wagner
<spamblocker-robert@wagner.net> wrote:

>On 18 May 2005 04:41:27 -0700, "Jeff" <jmoore207@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>
>American schools don't teach mainframe skills; Indian schools do, and
>crank out 20K graduates per year. As American Cobol programmers die
>and retire, India expects to pick up the jobs because they're the only
>ones equipped.
>
>Whose fault is that? American schools? Ding, ding, ding.

The market in the United States and Canada isn't good for COBOL
programmers, and frankly I think that North American business is
slowly outsourcing everything to other companies not realizing that
they need people who understand the business maintaining the
customization of the code be it COBOL programs, Java, or the
customization done in tables and exits to package of choice or
affliction.  I know that the local community college in Middletown,
Nova Scotia, Canada isn't teaching COBOL because none of the potential
employers need COBOL programmers.  Delphi is in demand.

Major companies are outsourcing the manufacture of their products
because somehow making the goods they put their name on isn't their
"core" competency (Nike anyone).  In this environment, why would
maintaining the code or even that portion that is unique to the
organization be considered something the company would want to do?
Note that whether we are talking about procedural COBOL or the latest
stable OO methodology, the question still remains.  The developer  in
India, Russia or China is far cheaper than their North American or
European counterpart and on average as competent.   According to a
posting on bit.listserv.techwr-l sometime back one of the major
aircraft  industry manufacturers (GE engines I think) outsourced the
writing of their technical manuals to a company in South America.
Given this trend, I can see North American schools not seeing the
value in teaching COBOL or business programming.

I think that the shareholders need to ask whether we need to have
North American top management or if we can get it cheaper overseas.  I
have serious doubts that they could be on average less competent than
the people who ran AT&T for the past 15 years.  The bozos perfected
buy high, ruin the purchase and sell low.  Remember NCR.  I think they
recovered from the AT&T takeover and divestiture syndrome.