Re: The Irish Problem

Pete Dashwood wrote:
>
What a drag. I eventually got the search technique I was after. What did
you search on 'Cromwell' or 'Irish' ? As regards 'Irish' many years ago,
as an Irish lady used to say in Portsmouth 'There's milluns of 'em !".
Even old buddies like Judson and Ken Foskey, Liam etc., were making
references to the 'Irish' back in '95/'96.

Frankly got fed up looking. Which means of course I didn't find the
source that I was looking for, so now, without hesitation

I OWE YOU ONE BIG APOLOGY

No excuses but look at the quote below as your typed it. And REMEMBER
this is your quote with which I didn't disagree. I read it quickly but
was puzzled in my mind - 12th NOVEMBER - and that definitively sat in
the back of my mind, causing a problem, saying to myself "Surely this
must be 12th S-E-P-T-E-M-B-E-R ?". So the date mix-up did tend to throw
me off.

> 12th November, 2001 - the day after 9/11, responding to a post which impli
ed
> America had it coming...
>  ========================================
==============================
> "First off, this is NOT the time to be making such observations. At the ve
ry
> least you are demonstrating EXTREME bad taste, and there is no evidence th
at
> "understanding" the problem will resolve it. Some political problems are
> incapable of comprehension. The Irish are bombing the U.K in "payment" for
> what Cromwell did 350 years ago... (at least that is what some would have 
us
> believe; the fact that the IRA is a HUGE economic enterprise that robs Ban
ks
> and commits thuggery under the umbrella of "political" action seems a more
> likely motivator for the continuance of their campaign, in my opinion.)"
>
> 11th December 2004 - discussing the death penalty.
> =======================================
> "For a long time (based on my innate liberal tendencies) I was persuaded
> that
> the death penalty is wrong. I accepted some of the old arguments:
>
> 1. Better for a dozen guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to b
e
> executed.
> 2. There is no deterrent effect in knowing you may lose your life for
> extreme anti-social behaviour.
> 3. Two wrongs don't make a right. (If you accept that all killing is wrong
).
>
> I changed my mind when I lived in London and saw innocent people being blo
wn
> to pieces, lives destroyed, young people who had no idea what Cromwell did
> or didn't do to the Irish, having a beer and then finding their legs gone,
> maimed in the pursuit of a political agenda. These "men" claimed to be
> "soldiers". But my recollection of soldiering is not about cowardly murder
."
>
> *                                *                            *
> *
> But in Gavan's mind (it must be Hell in there...) these references are
> melded together and become: "So Ollie was bad. Irish get over it"

Again, no excuses but let's take the phrasing from your first message,
and it didn't click when reading your current message but only hit like
a hammer when I viewed it as a result of searching  :-

"The Irish are bombing the U.K in "payment" for what Cromwell did 350
years ago... (at least that is what some would have us believe; the fact
that the IRA is a HUGE economic enterprise that robs Banks and commits
thuggery under the umbrella of "political" action seems a more likely
motivator for the continuance of their campaign, in my opinion.)"

Don't disagree one bit. Now as to where my mind went on this one, take
the same text but 'edited' :-

"The Irish are bombing the U.K in "payment" for what Cromwell did 350
years ago... ".

Reads significantly differently doesn't it ? Again no excuses - my
memory cells logged on to the first part of the statement completely
ignoring your qualifier. Can't be certain, but that suggests to me
that's how I arrived at my observation. How so very ironic, when I agree
totally with your statement as originally written.

SO TRULY SORRY - but it doesn't change anything at all does it? Still
you could show a little charity to Mr. Dilworth. I'm sure Tony will be
disappointed, but just drop him a nice little line, "Mr. Dilworth you
have been relegated to Public Enemy #2 on my hit-list".

Adieu