Re: OT : The Irish Problem

Joe Zitzelberger wrote:
> In article <tCT7e.1024808$Xk.958215@pd7tw3no>,
>  "James J. Gavan" <jgavandeletethis@shaw.ca> wrote:
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> Interest that you would talk about the 'legal king' of the Irish.
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> (Leaving aside the fact that most Irish never supported the concept of
> British rule -- from Pearse to Murphy and before there are centuries and
> centuries of strong opposition to the British.)
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> In some previous OT discussions (read Iraq) you have seemed to espouse
> the idea that people should not be enslaved by military means.  How do
> you reconcile that with the idea that the King of England was the 'legal
> king' only because of his overwhelming force of arms with the idea and
> never by the consent of the governed.
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> Are you now placing yourself in the 'might makes right' camp?

Nope Joe. The term was used as a convenience. The Irish, (primarily
Southern Irish), never did and never have accepted the English monarch
as their King. But given a choice between a 'ruler' (howz that ?), James
II who was a convert back to Catholicism (plus his brother Charles II is
believed to have died a Catholic), or James' son-in-law William (a
Protestant from the House of Orange. Can't be sure, but I don't think
his English was too hot), they went with the idea of supporting IN
BATTLE the possibly most amenable - i.e. an imposed ruler, ( an English
Catholic king).

As we know they lost out, and took until the 'twenties to get shot of
the English. (Truly pisses me off when I see there are still Lord
Snodgrosses who own land in S. Ireland and the locals still refer to
them as M'Lud or Sir, based on their Anglo titles. You can see this
stuff in TV National Geographics, particularly where race horses are
involved).

Perhaps we should all join verbal chat groups with cameras on of course
! NOW I think that could be VERY revealing. Daniel's been feeling it
lately, but sometimes it is surprising how what one writes can be
interpreted in a different vein by the recipients, missing what you
intended. (Trouble is, for the most part we write on the fly. With
Newspaper articles, writing technical articles, books, deep breath,
pause, write, pause again, and eventually give it a once over before it
gets printed).

Jimmy, Calgary AB