Re: The Irish Problem

"James J. Gavan" <jgavandeletethis@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:l8Z7e.1026842$Xk.610126@pd7tw3no...
> Pete Dashwood wrote: 
>
> No can do. I've told you before I do not squirrel away messages to throw
> back at people. But I do take note of things said.

That's my whole point. You consistently misunderstand and misquote, put your
own spin on stuff, push stated positions beyond where they were intended to
go,  add some of your own spite to make it look as bad as possible, and then
honestly believe that your black and white simplistic interpretation is what
was said. That was what led to me asking you not to comment on my
posts in the past. It wasn't 'enemy action', just tired of being misquoted
and misunderstood (either deliberately or accidentally) by you.

If you do not squirrel messages away (and there is no need to, the GOOGLE
archives will find almost anything I have said over the past 14 years or so)
then you are asking the forum to accept YOUR interpretation and memory of
what was said by ME.

That is unfair and unreasonable. Either quote it  (so that the world at
large can draw their own conclusions) or admit that you may have it wrong.
Even the good Doc admits to his memory being porous when he is not providing
a quote.

> So the situation is (a) Your memory isn't that great, or more
> charitably, it was such a throwaway remark that you have just plain
> forgotten that you wrote it - AND you have replied to me in a denial
> vein before, OR (b) Then I am just plain lying or inventing.
>
Such limited imagination... Those are not the only options at all. I don't
think you are lying or inventing because I do know what you are referring
to. BUT you have it totally wrong! (It is quite revealing that none of the
options above accept responsibility for the possibility of error on your
part... MY memory is bad, it was so unimportant to ME, I forgot that I wrote
it...)

My memory is excellent. But I did a search just to be sure.

> Guess you'll settle for (b), whereas on a Bible, Talmud or any Atheist
> 'sacred book' you care to produce, I will attest to (a).

Swearing something you believe to be true, is true, makes it no truer. It
simply attests that you are sincerely wrong.

OK, here are the quotes you couldn't be bothered to find:

12th November, 2001 - the day after 9/11, responding to a post which implied
America had it coming...
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"First off, this is NOT the time to be making such observations. At the very
least you are demonstrating EXTREME bad taste, and there is no evidence that
"understanding" the problem will resolve it. Some political problems are
incapable of comprehension. The Irish are bombing the U.K in "payment" for
what Cromwell did 350 years ago... (at least that is what some would have us
believe; the fact that the IRA is a HUGE economic enterprise that robs Banks
and commits thuggery under the umbrella of "political" action seems a more
likely motivator for the continuance of their campaign, in my opinion.)"

11th December 2004 - discussing the death penalty.
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"For a long time (based on my innate liberal tendencies) I was persuaded
that
the death penalty is wrong. I accepted some of the old arguments:

1. Better for a dozen guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be
executed.
2. There is no deterrent effect in knowing you may lose your life for
extreme anti-social behaviour.
3. Two wrongs don't make a right. (If you accept that all killing is wrong).

I changed my mind when I lived in London and saw innocent people being blown
to pieces, lives destroyed, young people who had no idea what Cromwell did
or didn't do to the Irish, having a beer and then finding their legs gone,
maimed in the pursuit of a political agenda. These "men" claimed to be
"soldiers". But my recollection of soldiering is not about cowardly murder."

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But in Gavan's mind (it must be Hell in there...) these references are
melded together and become: "So Ollie was bad. Irish get over it"

I don't think that, have never thought that, and would never express such a
thought (even if I DID ever think it) in such a simplistic and offensive
way.

You stated you were quoting me, and that THAT was the statement *I* made.

How could you do that without even checking?

How would you feel if I totally misconstrued something YOU said then quoted
it, with my own spin, as being YOUR words?

You owe me an apology, but I neither demand one, nor want one from you.

Instead, in future, either:

1. If you wish to comment on my posts, quote them and address your comments
to the quote.
OR
2. Just leave me out. There are thousands of posts here; you can live
without commenting on mine.

As in this case, failure to do so will simply show the world at large that
you are blowing smoke out your arse.

Pete.