Re: "Goto statement considered superfluous"

..    Am  27.09.04
schrieb  robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests (Robert Wagner)
auf  /COMP/LANG/COBOL
in  culel0161kn9jkaek60qgk093s5c1vbm76@4ax.com
ueber  Re: "Goto statement considered superfluous" (was: If you were inventi
n

RW> Although 64-bit is rare on desktops, it is common on servers and
RW> mainframes. Intel is testing the low-end waters with the 64-bit
RW> Pentium 4, and AMD with the Opteron. Complete computers with either
RW> chip sell for $500.

I think, only Itanium and Opteron are 64 bit, isn't it? Pentium 4
is also "just" 32 bit, as far as I know.



RW> Unisys Clear Path compiles to 64-bit Wintel ES7000, also IA-64.

The ES7000 server is not one of the Clearpath series; being built
on an array of Intel CPUs (at least up to 32 Itanium CPUs), it runs
either WindowsNt Server or Linux. The Clearpath servers of either the
Univac or Burroughs mainframe tradition incorporate also a subsystem
with Intel-type CPUs, but that is run by WindowsNT or maybe -- I don't
know -- also Linux.

But Unisys does certainly not provide a COBOL compiler neither for
Windows nor for Intel. One would have to use the Microfocus or Fujitsu
compilers. Unisys provides compilers for their OS/2200 and MCP based
mainframe lines.


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On 27 Sep 2004 08:22:00 GMT, l.willms@jpberlin.de (Lueko Willms)
wrote:

>.    Am  27.09.04
>schrieb  robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests (Robert Wagner)
>    auf  /COMP/LANG/COBOL
>     in  culel0161kn9jkaek60qgk093s5c1vbm76@4ax.com
>  ueber  Re: "Goto statement considered superfluous" (was: If you were inve
ntin
>
>RW> Although 64-bit is rare on desktops, it is common on servers and
>RW> mainframes. Intel is testing the low-end waters with the 64-bit
>RW> Pentium 4, and AMD with the Opteron. Complete computers with either
>RW> chip sell for $500.
>
>   I think, only Itanium and Opteron are 64 bit, isn't it? Pentium 4
>is also "just" 32 bit, as far as I know.

No, Pentium 4 is 64 bit. So too is Xeon.

>RW> Unisys Clear Path compiles to 64-bit Wintel ES7000, also IA-64.
>
>   The ES7000 server is not one of the Clearpath series; being built
>on an array of Intel CPUs (at least up to 32 Itanium CPUs), it runs
>either WindowsNt Server or Linux. The Clearpath servers of either the
>Univac or Burroughs mainframe tradition incorporate also a subsystem
>with Intel-type CPUs, but that is run by WindowsNT or maybe -- I don't
>know -- also Linux.

You're right. ES7000 is not marketed as ClearPath.

>   But Unisys does certainly not provide a COBOL compiler neither for
>Windows nor for Intel. One would have to use the Microfocus or Fujitsu
>compilers. Unisys provides compilers for their OS/2200 and MCP based
>mainframe lines.

The ES7000 compiler looks like a rebadged Micro Focus.

..    Am  27.09.04
schrieb  robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests (Robert Wagner)
auf  /COMP/LANG/COBOL
in  ff3gl01qu1k1u47h5qnq4iv9te7qc26bem@4ax.com
ueber  Re: "Goto statement considered superfluous"

RW> You're right. ES7000 is not marketed as ClearPath.
 

RW> The ES7000 compiler looks like a rebadged Micro Focus.

Frankly, I do not believe that Unisys provides their own compilers
for either the Windows or the Linux version of the ES7000.

Where did you find such information?


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Robert Wagner <robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests> wrote
 
>
> No, Pentium 4 is 64 bit. So too is Xeon.

That is not entirely true.  'Pentium 4' is just 32 bit.  There is no
64 bit in a 'Pentium 4'.  There is a newer different processor that is
called the 'Pentium 4 EE' (Extreme Edition) that does have the 64 bit
extensions roughly as AMD has.

To use the 64 bit mode you have to run Linux.

On 27 Sep 2004 15:05:00 GMT, l.willms@jpberlin.de (Lueko Willms)
wrote:

>.    Am  27.09.04
>schrieb  robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests (Robert Wagner)
>    auf  /COMP/LANG/COBOL
>     in  ff3gl01qu1k1u47h5qnq4iv9te7qc26bem@4ax.com
>  ueber  Re: "Goto statement considered superfluous"
>
>RW> You're right. ES7000 is not marketed as ClearPath.
> 
>
>RW> The ES7000 compiler looks like a rebadged Micro Focus.
>
>   Frankly, I do not believe that Unisys provides their own compilers
>for either the Windows or the Linux version of the ES7000.
>
>   Where did you find such information?

Chuck Stevens' response is definitive.

I got that impression from this Web page:

http://www.unisys.com/products/es70...on/services.htm

But here a Unisys manager says the tool is branded Micro Focus:

http://www.microfocus.com/closeup/v...ue3/partner.asp

On 27 Sep 2004 13:11:23 -0700, riplin@Azonic.co.nz (Richard) wrote:

>Robert Wagner <robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests> wrote
> 
>
>That is not entirely true.  'Pentium 4' is just 32 bit.  There is no
>64 bit in a 'Pentium 4'.  There is a newer different processor that is
>called the 'Pentium 4 EE' (Extreme Edition) that does have the 64 bit
>extensions roughly as AMD has.

Not roughly, exactly. It's ironic to see Intel reverse engineering AMD
.. something that Intel engineers used to laugh at AMD for doing.

Robert Wagner <robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests> wrote
 
>
> Not roughly, exactly.

They may be compatible but they are implemented differently, thus they
are not 'identical'.

Robert Wagner <robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests> wrote
 
>
> Not roughly, exactly.

Further to previous reply:

"""Intel EM64T

In the face of the competition from the AMD64, Intel released the
EM64T architecture in February, 2004. This is a 64-bit chip which is
largely instruction-set compatible with the AMD64, with very minor
differences in implementation [1]
(http://www.maximumpc.com/reprints/r...004-04-07b.html). It is
expected that EM64T will be fully compatible with AMD64 in later
revisions. EM64T is apparently based on an earlier specification of
the AMD64 architecture, which AMD had released prior to the actual
launch of the Hammer family of processors."""

> It's ironic to see Intel reverse engineering AMD
> .. something that Intel engineers used to laugh at AMD for doing.

Well they obviously didn't 'reverse engineer', they used published
specifications.

That's 2 for 2, _again_.

..     Am  27.09.04
schrieb  robert@wagner.net.yourmammaharvests (Robert Wagner)
bei  /COMP/LANG/COBOL
in  r98hl0dbmscos3tce2sl0bedcud90efdqj@4ax.com
ueber  Re: "Goto statement considered superfluous"
 

RW> Chuck Stevens' response is definitive.

Sure, he _works_ at Unisys, I only follow it for nostalgia.

RW> I got that impression from this Web page:
RW>
RW> http://www.unisys.com/products/es70...s__solutions/wi
RW> ndows__stan dardization/services.htm

But this clearly speaks only about _migration_ tools, not a
Compiler, and does not mention at all addressing mode.

RW> But here a Unisys manager says the tool is branded Micro Focus:
RW>
RW> http://www.microfocus.com/closeup/v...ue3/partner.asp

Thanks for the pointer. The guy (Brig Campbell from Mission Viejo)
is praising the ES7000 with Windows, but now Unisys offers also Linux
for it...

Anyway, also from that interview I conclude that the Unisys offer
consist of migration tools and migration assistance.


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Lueko Willms wrote:
>
>    Anyway, also from that interview I conclude that the Unisys offer
> consist of migration tools and migration assistance.

Of course - their customers are used to getting a suite of software with
their hardware.  :)  Wonder if I could get in on any 2200-to-Linux
conversions - that would be pretty ...


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