How to slow down outsourcing

Law that require that every worker that serves US customers be paid at
least US minimum wage as required by Federal law will slow down
outsourcing.

Other ideas: http://www.geocities.com/saveusajob...urcing_laws.htm

Zalek

Zalek Bloom <ZalekBloom@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<tb3mg0tcr5bjalb257oh3730j1515bh
e52@4ax.com>...
> Law that require that every worker that serves US customers be paid at
> least US minimum wage as required by Federal law will slow down
> outsourcing.
>
> Other ideas: http://www.geocities.com/saveusajob...urcing_laws.htm
>
> Zalek

That wouldn't help slow down IT outsourcing, or at least the bulk of
it, since the Indian IT guys I know tell me their compatriots in India
make about 20k/yr or around that, well in excess of minimum wage.

beernuts wrote:

> Zalek Bloom <ZalekBloom@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:<tb3mg0tcr5bjalb257oh3730j1515bhe52@4ax.com>... 
>
> That wouldn't help slow down IT outsourcing, or at least the bulk of
> it, since the Indian IT guys I know tell me their compatriots in India
> make about 20k/yr or around that, well in excess of minimum wage.

What WILL slow down and even stop IT outsourcing is the elimination
of IP rents.  At present the American OWNERS of the enterprise
collect all the rent (return to monopoly ownership privilege) on
the software created by the foreign producers.  Outside US borders
the price of the software is minuscule as pirated copies are easily
obtained.  Only Americans pay the inflated (rent sing) prices.
Same with pharmaceuticals.  Middle class Americans pay the toll
as Bill Gates gets richer and richer.  If the Indians are as good
as the Americans at producing software then why does Bill Gates
need to get the rent, and why does software cost so much?  It is
my undersatanding that Indian manufacture of pharmaceuticals is
much the same kind of deal and if not then the Chinese probably
do the pharmaceuticals for sale in places other than the USA.
Again:  Americans pay all the rent.

The American producer's anger with the Indians taking the jobs is
misplaced. The anger should be directed at our own government and
its continued reward to rent sers.   If the software were
priced exclusive of rent, then we would all (Indians and Americans
alike) benefit from the comparative advantage.  But as it is, so
called, "free trade" is merely exacerbating wealth disparity in
the USA and keeping foreigners from realizing the full return to
their efforts.

I can't imagine why the Chinese pay any money to Nike at all.  They
have shown they can make tennis shoes.  Why not tell Nike to take
a hike?

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On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:19:26 -0700, beernuts wrote:

> Zalek Bloom <ZalekBloom@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<tb3mg0tcr5bjal
b257oh3730j1515bhe52@4ax.com>... 
>
> That wouldn't help slow down IT outsourcing, or at least the bulk of
> it, since the Indian IT guys I know tell me their compatriots in India
> make about 20k/yr or around that, well in excess of minimum wage.

This is not my Indian friends are telling me - the average IT salary is
less than $10/year. Many Indians told me that if salary in India reach
$20k/year, they will return to India, because $20K in India is equivalent
of $100k in the NYC. Food, clothes, houses entertainment is much cheaper
in India.

Zalek

Zalek Bloom <ZalekBloom@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.08.02.10.52.42.594181@
hotmail.com>...
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 19:19:26 -0700, beernuts wrote:
> 
>
> This is not my Indian friends are telling me - the average IT salary is
> less than $10/year. Many Indians told me that if salary in India reach
> $20k/year, they will return to India, because $20K in India is equivalent
> of $100k in the NYC. Food, clothes, houses entertainment is much cheaper
> in India.
>
> Zalek

Salary varies depending on experience and the kind of employer -as in
the US. Lots of people get salaries of $20K per year, and the ones
stating their desire are probably scanning for a suitable oppurtunity.

regards
-kamal

Zalek Bloom wrote:

> Law that require that every worker that serves US customers be paid at
> least US minimum wage as required by Federal law will slow down
> outsourcing.
>
> Other ideas: http://www.geocities.com/saveusajob...urcing_laws.htm
>
> Zalek
>
>
>

Simple. Corporations that are American, who wish to participate in the
American market and who's services and production are done overseas will
pay a Value Added Tax, it's done in all European Countries. Thus the
real advantage for any corps wishing to sell services and products in
the US and who use US labor are exempted in that they are already
contributing to the society. It's not new like I said and it does not
run against the GAT, our competitors are doing the very thing.

Some will call it protectionism, I would call it infrastructure
maintenance. Hell we do it with farm producers as do the Europeans. the
Chinese do it by requiring all foreign corporations to take Chinese
partners to the tune of 51% ownership. No one calls that protectionism.

In message <10gsko0kqpb5j6c@corp.supernews.com>, ajv2003
<albert@verbrugh.net> writes
>Simple. Corporations that are American, who wish to participate in the
>American market and who's services and production are done overseas
>will pay a Value Added Tax, it's done in all European Countries.

That is not how VAT works.

If you are a member of the European Union you pay VAT. The way you've
written it, you've got it the other way around. It also has nothing to
do with "who's services and production are done overseas". If you are
proposing something else fine, but don't confuse it with VAT, because it
isn't the same thing.

They have recently changed VAT collection law so that someone selling
into the EU electronically must charge VAT - but that change was
introduced to prevent EU companies selling their products via ecommerce
sites hosted outside EU boundaries.

...and yes, companies were doing this. Here is an example:

http://www.swreg.org

Offices in Hong Kong
Admin in Devon, UK.
Hosting, somewhere in, I think, the USA.

All perfectly legal, and until recent legislation changes, totally VAT
free.

Finally, could you please keep this irrelevant rubbish out of
uk.consultants. The clue is the "UK" part of the newsgroup name.

Stephen
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The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<cekaug0231c@news4.newsguy.com>...[c
olor=darkred]
> beernuts wrote:
> 
>
> What WILL slow down and even stop IT outsourcing is the elimination
> of IP rents.  At present the American OWNERS of the enterprise
> collect all the rent (return to monopoly ownership privilege) on
> the software created by the foreign producers.  Outside US borders
> the price of the software is minuscule as pirated copies are easily
> obtained.  Only Americans pay the inflated (rent sing) prices.
> Same with pharmaceuticals.  Middle class Americans pay the toll
> as Bill Gates gets richer and richer.  If the Indians are as good
> as the Americans at producing software then why does Bill Gates
> need to get the rent, and why does software cost so much?  It is
> my undersatanding that Indian manufacture of pharmaceuticals is
> much the same kind of deal and if not then the Chinese probably
> do the pharmaceuticals for sale in places other than the USA.
> Again:  Americans pay all the rent.
>
> The American producer's anger with the Indians taking the jobs is
> misplaced. The anger should be directed at our own government and
> its continued reward to rent sers.   If the software were
> priced exclusive of rent, then we would all (Indians and Americans
> alike) benefit from the comparative advantage.  But as it is, so
> called, "free trade" is merely exacerbating wealth disparity in
> the USA and keeping foreigners from realizing the full return to
> their efforts.
>
> I can't imagine why the Chinese pay any money to Nike at all.  They
> have shown they can make tennis shoes.  Why not tell Nike to take
> a hike?[/color]


So you're saying we should just steal stuff like the third world does?

Scott Auge wrote:

> The Trucker <mikcob@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:<cekaug0231c@news4.newsguy.com>... 
>
>
> So you're saying we should just steal stuff like the third world does?

What do you think is being "stolen"?

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Stephen Kellett wrote:


>
> Finally, could you please keep this irrelevant rubbish out of
> uk.consultants. The clue is the "UK" part of the newsgroup name.
>
> Stephen

I give you two years and you be crying with the rest of us.