Looking for z/OS or OS/390 to use with Hercules mainframe emulator

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone would be willing to provide a copy of z/OS or
OS/390, that I could use with the freeware Hercules mainframe emulator?

I realize that what I am asking for is illegal.  However, I'm sure there are
others that can sympathize - I simply want a complete (and current)
mainframe environment so that I can learn the operating system completely.
My background is primarily Unix, but I have become acquainted with the
mainframe over the last year, and have now written a few applications for
it, including a CICS application written in C.  I used to be an
anti-mainframe bigot; now, I've become very fond of it.  I love to learn new
things, and the mainframe is an enormous opportunity for learning.  I've
already learned some very neat things, such as redirecting SYSIN and SYSOUT
to HFS files, etc.

Anyway, I see an opportunity to apply new technologies to the vast resources
available on modern mainframe systems.  To that end, I would really love to
have a complete emulation environment that I could run on my laptop.  It
would, for example, enable me to test ideas and offer proposals that I could
prototype in advance.

I know that there is a commercial emulator - Flex ES - but I simply can't
afford that.  If anyone would be willing to send (through any mechanism) a
copy of z/OS or OS/390 to me, I would greatly appreciate it.  Or, if you
have any other ideas on how to acquire the operating system (at little or no
cost), please let me know.  I've also heard of the "Application Developer"
CD, and that this is one source of the operating system.  Anyone have this?
Or know how to obtain it legitimately?

Please send any responses to:  dave99682000@yahoo.com

Also, please don't respond to this thread at all - negative or positive.  I
know that the Hercules developers want to avoid publicity regarding the
issue of piracy of IBM operating systems.  So, please, don't respond here.
Please use the email address above.

Thanks.  And I apologize in advance if this post irritates some of you.  My
_intentions_ are good - i.e., learning the mainframe so that I can promote
its use with new technologies.

Dave

In article <I7GdnUEx94im0S_dRVn-uw@giganews.com>, Dave <d@d.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I was wondering if anyone would be willing to provide a copy of z/OS or
>OS/390, that I could use with the freeware Hercules mainframe emulator?
>
>I realize that what I am asking for is illegal.

Good of you to admit this.

>However, I'm sure there are
>others that can sympathize - I simply want a complete (and current)
>mainframe environment so that I can learn the operating system completely.

Other people want a car so they don't have to take the bus to work... do
you mind if they steal yours?

DD

<docdwarf@panix.com> schreef in bericht
news:c8tsg3$n26$1@panix5.panix.com...
> In article <I7GdnUEx94im0S_dRVn-uw@giganews.com>, Dave <d@d.com> wrote: 
>
> Good of you to admit this.
> 
completely.
>
> Other people want a car so they don't have to take the bus to work... do
> you mind if they steal yours?
>
> DD

Should everyone who wants to become a pilot first buy a plane?

 

Am 24.05.04, 19:25:28, schrieb "Dave" <d@d.com> zum Thema Looking for=20=

z/OS or OS/390 to use with Hercules mainframe emulator:


> Hi,

> I was wondering if anyone would be willing to provide a copy of z/OS=20=

or
> OS/390, that I could use with the freeware Hercules mainframe=20
emulator?

Hello

you can use this:=20
http://booksrv2.raleigh.ibm.com/cgi...r.exe/FRAMESET/
DZ9ZR000/CCONTENTS?SHELF=3Diea2bk20&DN=3DSA22-7832-00&DT=3D2001010216085=
5

please i one line. Contains:

Title:  z/Architecture Principles of Operation
Document Number: SA22-7832-00
Build Date: 01/02/01 16:08:55 Build Version: 1.3.0
Book Path: d:\bookmgr\libcenter\books\dz9zr000.boo=20

thats all you need to understand zOS

Einen schoenen Tag

Andreas Lerch

In article <c8uu9b$4kf$1@gaudi2.UGent.be>,
Gunther De Vogelaere <Gunther.DeVogelaere@NOSP@M.ugent.be> wrote:
>
><docdwarf@panix.com> schreef in bericht
>news:c8tsg3$n26$1@panix5.panix.com... 
>
>Should everyone who wants to become a pilot first buy a plane?

Answering a question with a question is no answer at all.

DD

> > 
>
> Answering a question with a question is no answer at all.
>
> DD
>

I think sometimes professional packages are just a tad to expensive to buy
them just for educational purposes, especially for students/users at
home,although there are often sollutions like trial/educational versions.
Of course I can't agree more with you if the OP intends to use the package
in a professional environment.

(expensive package = plane, educational purpose = learning to fly).

I'm sorry if I wasn't very clear.

In article <37Psc.130367$qf.6892646@phobos.telenet-ops.be>,
Günther De Vogelaere <no_fishNO_SP@Mpandora.be> wrote: 
>
>I think sometimes professional packages are just a tad to expensive to buy
>them just for educational purposes, especially for students/users at
>home,although there are often sollutions like trial/educational versions.
>Of course I can't agree more with you if the OP intends to use the package
>in a professional environment.

Oh... so he should not steal a car to get to work but only for
recreational purposes?  That makes even less sense.

Perhaps I view this simplistically.  The original author wanted to be able
to use a product without paying for it; he also acknowledged his desire
could result in theft.

>
>(expensive package = plane, educational purpose = learning to fly).
>
>I'm sorry if I wasn't very clear.

In this posting you seem to be clear... but your clarity leads to 'Theft
is fine as long as it is towards amateur ends.'

DD

Günther De Vogelaere wrote: 
>
>
> I think sometimes professional packages are just a tad to expensive to buy
> them just for educational purposes, especially for students/users at
> home,although there are often sollutions like trial/educational versions.
> Of course I can't agree more with you if the OP intends to use the package
> in a professional environment.
>
> (expensive package = plane, educational purpose = learning to fly).
>
> I'm sorry if I wasn't very clear.
>
>
I would expect to pay for flying lessons.  I'm sure that the original
poster could attend IBM educational classes to learn more about the
operating system.  If that is beyond his means, it wouldn't be the first
time that money got in the way of dreams.

As to your analogy, why would one want to learn to fly if he/she had no
prospect of ever getting into an airplane?  You don't have to buy, but
you do have to rent at a cost of hundreds of dollars.

A huge amount can be learned about z/OS simply by downloading and
reading the IBM manuals, which are freely available from IBM's Web sites.

Tinkering with the operating system is a luxury that no systems
programmer is allowed, as far as I know.  Bringing down a mainframe
computer due to experimentation is frowned upon, as it inconveniences in
some cases tens of thousands of users.

The Flex ES based IBM Thinkpad can be had from T3 Technologies for
around US$400 / month, from what I've read.

On Tue, 25 May 2004 16:38:37 GMT Andreas Lerch <andreas@andreas-lerch.de>
wrote:

:>Am 24.05.04, 19:25:28, schrieb "Dave" <d@d.com> zum Thema Looking for
:>z/OS or OS/390 to use with Hercules mainframe emulator:

:>> I was wondering if anyone would be willing to provide a copy of z/OS
:>or
:>> OS/390, that I could use with the freeware Hercules mainframe
:>emulator?

:>Hello

:>you can use this:
:>http://booksrv2.raleigh.ibm.com/cgi...r.exe/FRAMESET/
:>DZ9ZR000/CCONTENTS?SHELF=iea2bk20&DN=SA22-7832-00&DT=20010102160855

:>please i one line. Contains:

:>Title:  z/Architecture Principles of Operation
:>Document Number: SA22-7832-00
:>Build Date: 01/02/01 16:08:55 Build Version: 1.3.0
:>Book Path: d:\bookmgr\libcenter\books\dz9zr000.boo

:>thats all you need to understand zOS

That is pretty much all you need to understand zArchitecture.

zOS will require a further pile of manuals.

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