What matters most when getting a job done?

I think many people here will have thoughts on this topic and may want to
vote in the poll. Be quick, it closes soon...

http://www.codeproject.com/#poll

(Scroll to the bottom of the page)

Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:19:01 +1300, "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@removethis.ente
rnet.co.nz>
wrote:

>I think many people here will have thoughts on this topic and may want to
>vote in the poll. Be quick, it closes soon...
>
>http://www.codeproject.com/#poll

Respondants are short sighted. A year hence, no one will care whether the cl
ient was happy
or it was delivered on time. They will judge it on quality.

In article <5miprnFdk5d6U1@mid.individual.net>,
Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>I think many people here will have thoughts on this topic and may want to
>vote in the poll. Be quick, it closes soon...
>
>http://www.codeproject.com/#poll
>
>(Scroll to the bottom of the page)

Hmmmmm... 1290 votes before my viewing, the second-highest is 'The job is
error-free' - interesting to consider in light of 'the only bugs in code
are the ones you ain't found yet' - and head-and-shoulders above is 'The
client/boss etc (sic) is happy'.

Seems like I'm not the only one who says that a well-functioning system,
by definition, is one which causes the person resposible for signing the
checks for it to smile.  Maybe I should find a better circle with which to
associated.

DD

Choke, gasp, cringe

You have GOT to be kidding!!!

--
Bill Klein
wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com
"Robert" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
 news:3li8g39823e64hddtjdkm6r6iq8oihjv0a@
4ax.com...
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 13:19:01 +1300, "Pete Dashwood"
> <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz>
> wrote:
> 
>
> Respondants are short sighted. A year hence, no one will care whether the
> client was happy
> or it was delivered on time. They will judge it on quality.

"William M. Klein" <wmklein@nospam.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:x6%Mi.27132$vo5.18702@fe04.news.easynews.com...
> Choke, gasp, cringe
>
> You have GOT to be kidding!!!
>
That was a bit like my reaction when I first saw it. Are you talking about
the results or the quiz? :-)

Or Robert's comment about Quality... :-)

Pete.
> --
> Bill Klein
> wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com
> "Robert" <no@e.mail> wrote in message
>  news:3li8g39823e64hddtjdkm6r6iq8oihjv0a@
4ax.com... 
>
>

<docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:fe1ihd$hes$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In article <5miprnFdk5d6U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote: 
>
> Hmmmmm... 1290 votes before my viewing, the second-highest is 'The job is
> error-free' - interesting to consider in light of 'the only bugs in code
> are the ones you ain't found yet' - and head-and-shoulders above is 'The
> client/boss etc (sic) is happy'.

I had a feeling you'd relate, Doc :-)
>
> Seems like I'm not the only one who says that a well-functioning system,
> by definition, is one which causes the person resposible for signing the
> checks for it to smile.  Maybe I should find a better circle with which to
> associated.

Not necessarily "better", but definitely like-minded it seems :-)

Pete.
--
"I used to write COBOL...now I can do anything."

In article <5mju82Fdq10aU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> writes:
>
>
> <docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:fe1ihd$hes$1@reader1.panix.com.
. 
>
> I had a feeling you'd relate, Doc :-) 
>
> Not necessarily "better", but definitely like-minded it seems :-)
>

On visiting the site, I read the survey questions and then just
walked away shaking my head.  No, I didn't respond as I think
the whole thing was rather silly.

bill

--
Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
University of Scranton   |
Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:07:55 -0500, Robert <no@e.mail> wrote:

>Respondants are short sighted. A year hence, no one will care whether the c
lient was happy
>or it was delivered on time. They will judge it on quality.

"Quality" depends on what was needed and wanted.    All those survey
items were measures of quality.

I remember reading an article about school buildings - the author was
proposing that the big, expensive showcase schools were mistakes. They
were designed to last forever - but didn't adjust well to new
demographics and technology.

A few years ago hospitals were being designed around all the new bulky
electronics that were now available.   Now the monitors in the
operating room are flat, and the electronics in the patients rooms
roll in and out.

And companies with well designed, well written CoBOL batch programs
are asking to have real-time answers that they can play with on their
handheld computers.    So we have to change our definition of
"quality".

(This is nothing new - people have *always* complained about the new
guys not being interested in quality.   The new people have different
definitions of what quality should be).

On 4 Oct 2007 12:47:42 GMT, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:

>On visiting the site, I read the survey questions and then just
>walked away shaking my head.  No, I didn't respond as I think
>the whole thing was rather silly.

Ditto.

On Thu, 4 Oct 2007 23:37:30 +1300, "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@removethis.ente
rnet.co.nz>
wrote:

>"William M. Klein" <wmklein@nospam.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:x6%Mi.27132$vo5.18702@fe04.news.easynews.com... 
>That was a bit like my reaction when I first saw it. Are you talking about
>the results or the quiz? :-)
>
>Or Robert's comment about Quality... :-)
>
>Pete. 

Let me clarify. Deadlines are too often used as an exuse for poor quality. T
hey say, 'We
don't have time to do it right. It's due today. Just get it done as quickly 
as possible.'
I respond, 'We'll get it done today AND it will be done right.'

I keep reading that a high percentage of IT projects miss their deadlines. M
y experience
must be atypical, because I've never worked on a project that missed its dea
dline. At
least, I can't recall one in the last twenty years.