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| Chris DiBona 2005-06-08, 9:01 pm |
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So is anyone not applying because they think that so many have applied
that it isn't worth it?
I'd hate this, of course, as we'd hate to not see a great application.
Chris
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Open Source Program Manager, Google Inc.
Google's Open Source program can be found at http://code.google.com
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| Jared Lash 2005-06-08, 9:01 pm |
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Actually, the numbers made me feel better as I thought far more would
be applying.
On 6/8/05, Chris DiBona <cdibona-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> So is anyone not applying because they think that so many have applied
> that it isn't worth it?
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> I'd hate this, of course, as we'd hate to not see a great application.
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> Chris
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I haven't applied yet, because I'm still researching and trying to put
together a decent application to make up for how much I'm going to have
to learn and code at the same time. Of course, I'll just be putting up
one application. I mean, it really doesn't hurt to try.
Just putting together a proposal for the soc is like any other project
and/or paper that students do, just another chance for us to organize
our ideas and put down what we can and are willing to do. It's like
writing a prospectus for some x page paper.
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| goldfeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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Out of curiosity, how many unique people do you think have applied,
since a number of people have discussed sending in multiple
applications?
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| Chris DiBona 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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The vast majority of the applications are unique user/proposal combos.
On 6/8/05, goldfeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <goldfeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> Out of curiosity, how many unique people do you think have applied,
> since a number of people have discussed sending in multiple
> applications?
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>=20
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Open Source Program Manager, Google Inc.
Google's Open Source program can be found at http://code.google.com
Personal Weblog: http://dibona.com
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| goldfeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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Ouch. :-)
Oh well.. I was hoping that the 3200 number (I assume it's more now?)
was smaller than it appeared. Guess not.
But since you are around and answering questions now, may I ask what
the breakdown is specifically for projects targeted at Google as a
mentor? I don't think my application is really competing with people
applying to Gaim and KDE and the like (or is it?)
Thanks!
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| JG_Newf 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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As much as I feel that I dont have a chance, I still applied. I have
even started a bit of preliminary work so I have a head start if I do
happen to get picked.
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| Chris DiBona 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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Can't asnwer that for google, as they are all over the map. People use
the Google and Other options as a misc, bascially. We have a large
collection of googlers on hand to vet apps and mentor folks, though.
Chris
On 6/8/05, goldfeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <goldfeder-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> Ouch. :-)
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> Oh well.. I was hoping that the 3200 number (I assume it's more now?)
> was smaller than it appeared. Guess not.
>=20
> But since you are around and answering questions now, may I ask what
> the breakdown is specifically for projects targeted at Google as a
> mentor? I don't think my application is really competing with people
> applying to Gaim and KDE and the like (or is it?)
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
>=20
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Open Source Program Manager, Google Inc.
Google's Open Source program can be found at http://code.google.com
Personal Weblog: http://dibona.com
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| Andreia Gaita 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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I was a bit daunted by the numbers, to tell you the truth, but since
I've already applied :), upon seeing those figures I'm fleshing out
my proposals to send again, hopefully I can beat that competition :D
shana
"Oh don't give me no more of that Old Janx Spirit
No, don't you give me no more of that Old Janx Spirit
For my head will fly, my tongue will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die
Won't you pour me one more of that sinful Old Janx Spirit" - DNA's HhGttG
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| Adam Becker 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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I'm in the same boat ---=20
On 6/8/05, Andreia Gaita <shana.ufie-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> I was a bit daunted by the numbers, to tell you the truth, but since
> I've already applied :), upon seeing those figures I'm fleshing out
> my proposals to send again, hopefully I can beat that competition :D
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> shana
> "Oh don't give me no more of that Old Janx Spirit
> No, don't you give me no more of that Old Janx Spirit
> For my head will fly, my tongue will lie, my eyes will fry and I may die
> Won't you pour me one more of that sinful Old Janx Spirit" - DNA's HhGttG
>
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| Kevin K 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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Well, the number of people that have applied certainly discouraged my
once high hopes. As a freshmen could be very hard to compete with let's
say a grad student, especially being that with such a large quanity of
applications there has to be a good deal of duplication of ideas and
therefore competition will be incredibly tight.
I've applied for one project, probably still apply for two more, but I
have also started looking for summer job, being that chances of being
accepted in this program are looking slimer and slimer.
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| wyrzym-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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Usually, I try not to pay attention to numbers / statistics. Looking on
the bright-side, there could have been over 10,000 applications
already, so I tell myself that only 3,000-some isn't too bad.
Also, I do plan to submit one last revision to my application. At
first, I thought people could be chosen as soon as a good application
was sent in, so I sent 2 in right away. Then I realized it wasn't so
much as to when you sent it in, but how great the application is that
really counts.
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| Timothy F. 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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Andreia and Kevin covered about everything
On 6/8/05, wyrzym-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org <wyrzym-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> Usually, I try not to pay attention to numbers / statistics. Looking on
> the bright-side, there could have been over 10,000 applications
> already, so I tell myself that only 3,000-some isn't too bad.
>=20
> Also, I do plan to submit one last revision to my application. At
> first, I thought people could be chosen as soon as a good application
> was sent in, so I sent 2 in right away. Then I realized it wasn't so
> much as to when you sent it in, but how great the application is that
> really counts.
>=20
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| rick.ohalloran-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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I was considering not applying, but a chance like this doesn't come up
too often. It's like a dream job, even if it's just for the summer.
Not so much the money, but the experience (I actually hope to get a
Co-Op with google during my time at Northeastern so something like this
may help). Anyways, the numbers are...somewhat scary, but not as bad
as I thought they would be. I mean...it could be worse.
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| Ian Monroe 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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I applied, but a friend of mine didn't partly due to the low chances.
He's also Australian and so is at school anyways. Maybe the next
Summer of Code could be in December. :)
On 6/8/05, Chris DiBona <cdibona-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> So is anyone not applying because they think that so many have applied
> that it isn't worth it?
>=20
> I'd hate this, of course, as we'd hate to not see a great application.
>=20
> Chris
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| Chris DiBona 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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The southern hemisphere people have been telling me -exactly- that.
Chris
On 6/8/05, Ian Monroe <ian.monroe-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> I applied, but a friend of mine didn't partly due to the low chances.
> He's also Australian and so is at school anyways. Maybe the next
> Summer of Code could be in December. :)
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> On 6/8/05, Chris DiBona <cdibona-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>=20
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Open Source Program Manager, Google Inc.
Google's Open Source program can be found at http://code.google.com
Personal Weblog: http://dibona.com
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| Adriel 2005-06-09, 4:00 am |
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i have school in the summer. ha. fun, i guess - i DO code for my
classes. LOL
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| Sam Barnett-Cormack 2005-06-09, 9:02 am |
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On 2005-06-08 16:15:35 -0700, Chris DiBona wrote:
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> So is anyone not applying because they think that so many have applied
> that it isn't worth it?
Following my initial application, I realised it was below-par, and was
considering just letting it go, for several reasons - not least of which was
the number of applicants.
I have gone ahead and resubmitted with a better application (for the same
project), because hey, even if I view it as a gamble, it's good prospects
for a very small outlay (of time).
I'm still worried about things like it not fitting any mentoring
organisation, or it not being considered appropriate in size or scope, but
I'm overall confident that it will make it past the first stage (assuming
selection is done in stages) if those aren't a problem.
Sam
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| faheem-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org 2005-06-09, 9:02 am |
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aoa,
I would like to second Michael here. Its really a nice effort by google
ppl and would love to see the similar things in future. In case you ppl
do the SoC next year, try to do it on larger scale. Decrease the money
if you have to.(p.s as far as I am concerned a certificate and sovunier
like t-shirt is enough for me)
Having more mentor organizations (some are denied due to the limits)
and more students would serve the main purpose of the program
Hallx
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Well, honestly, that hasn't really occured to me. 200 chosen project
out of 3000 (let's say there should be at least 4000 by june 14th) is
not so bad, a 1/20 chance of getting picked.
This is much much better than most job applications. The internships I
applied for this summer had between 30 to 60 people applying, and only
one job.
So 1/20's pretty good.
Chris DiBona wrote:
> So is anyone not applying because they think that so many have applied
> that it isn't worth it?
>
> I'd hate this, of course, as we'd hate to not see a great application.
>
> Chris
>
>
> --
> Open Source Program Manager, Google Inc.
> Google's Open Source program can be found at http://code.google.com
> Personal Weblog: http://dibona.com
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| hierarchical_polymorphist 2005-06-09, 4:04 pm |
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i found it intimidating to compete with people who have been working
in the industry for years and now in school for a master dgree.
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| Matt Warden 2005-06-09, 9:01 pm |
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On 6/9/05, m0x <simonfl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> Well, honestly, that hasn't really occured to me. 200 chosen project
> out of 3000 (let's say there should be at least 4000 by june 14th) is
> not so bad, a 1/20 chance of getting picked.
I think you could use a stats class :-)
hierarchical_polymorphist wrote:
> i found it intimidating to compete with people who have been working
> in the industry for years and now in school for a master dgree.
We have had mentors (e.g. Gaim) say on this list that they are
specifically s ing the less experienced to create a more fruitful
opportunity for the prot=E9g=E9.
Michael wrote:
> Next time I might suggest smaller prizes that are available to more
> people. $4500 is awesome and would help cover the expense of my time
> but $500-$1000 would still be helpful and would allow more people to
> join in.
I believe it was Chris who said that money wasn't the limiting factor,
but rather google's nonmonetary resources (e.g. people) that it could
allocate to the project.
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Matt Warden
Miami University
Oxford, OH, USA
http://mattwarden.com
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| Adam Becker 2005-06-09, 9:01 pm |
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if we're at 3000 now, my guess is that we are going to be closer to
10000 by the 14th. We are talking students here. How many students
turn in a paper 5 days before it's due date. My guess is that towards
the end, there will be a large increase in the number of applications
going in. Everyone who wants to re-vamp their application, everyone
who wants to do the best job they can on their application, and
everyone who just waited until the last minute to send in their
application will be sending it in on either the 13th or the 14th.
It would not surprise me at all if there are over 10,000 applications
by the end. I bet google will have well over 1,000 of them.
On 6/9/05, Matt Warden <mwarden-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> On 6/9/05, m0x <simonfl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
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> I think you could use a stats class :-)
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> hierarchical_polymorphist wrote:
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> We have had mentors (e.g. Gaim) say on this list that they are
> specifically sing the less experienced to create a more fruitful
> opportunity for the prot=E9g=E9.
>=20
>=20
> Michael wrote:
>=20
> I believe it was Chris who said that money wasn't the limiting factor,
> but rather google's nonmonetary resources (e.g. people) that it could
> allocate to the project.
>=20
>=20
> --
> Matt Warden
> Miami University
> Oxford, OH, USA
> http://mattwarden.com
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> This email proudly and graciously contributes to entropy.
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Adam,
I agree with u completely. The numbers could go even higher.
There will be many lazy chaps who wait until the end of the deadline.
Note: lazy but shiny with ideas
-
sriNivas
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| Michael 2005-06-09, 9:01 pm |
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> I believe it was Chris who said that money wasn't the limiting factor,
> but rather google's nonmonetary resources (e.g. people) that it could
> allocate to the project.
It sounds as if next time there will be LOTS more mentors
participating. That should lessen Google's load a lot.
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nivas wrote:
> Adam,
> I agree with u completely. The numbers could go even higher.
> There will be many lazy chaps who wait until the end of the deadline.
Lazy chaps? Well, I think that many of them are responsible, rather
than lazy.
I haven't sent my proposal yet. You know why? It keeps changing. I'm
annotating. Putting the ideas together. Digging through sources of what
I'm supposed to work on. Annotating more. Balancing sentences. I'm not
native speaker, so writing sound proposal is rather a lot of work for
me. And I certainly don't want anyone to have to pull my N-1
unsuccessfull attempts off the proposal stack.
> Note: lazy but shiny with ideas
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> -
> sriNivas
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