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| haword 2005-04-27, 4:03 pm |
| VirtualPascal is dead :( Pascal for linux only FreePascal and Kylix. This
very very bad :(
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| Marco van de Voort 2005-04-27, 4:03 pm |
| On 2005-04-27, haword <haword?@mail.ru> wrote:
> VirtualPascal is dead :( Pascal for linux only FreePascal and Kylix. This
> very very bad :(
There is also still GPC. Though its Delphi compat is small, and its TP
compat also has flaws.
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-04-27, 4:03 pm |
| "haword" <haword?@mail.ru> wrote in news:426f7fe2@newsgroups.borland.com:
> VirtualPascal is dead :( Pascal for linux only FreePascal and Kylix. This
> very very bad :(
Kylix is sleeping, although we hope we can wake it up....
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| haword 2005-04-27, 4:03 pm |
| > Kylix is sleeping, although we hope we can wake it up....
I too very much wish to wake Kylix. It very much to like me! If Borland has
opened source codes Kylix OE IDE and the compiler that would be possible its
and to wake:) As about FreeCLX? Borland goes on cooperation or does not
want?
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| Ed Purkiss 2005-04-27, 4:03 pm |
| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote:
>
> Kylix is sleeping, although we hope we can wake it up....
>
I am so tired of the "Life of Kylix" debate - Chad, what can
we devoted users do to assist in the reanimation process? Personally,
I use Kylix almost exclusively as an SO builder for apache projects -
there is almost no discussion about this enormously powerful
combination. Is it simply that the P/L of extending our favorite
language is not juicy enough to hold Borland's attention?
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| Bob Goddard 2005-04-27, 9:01 pm |
| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote:
> "haword" <haword?@mail.ru> wrote in
> news:426f7fe2@newsgroups.borland.com:
>
> Kylix is sleeping, although we hope we can wake it up....
Kylix is comatose bordering on brain dead.
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-04-28, 4:06 am |
| "haword" <haword?@mail.ru> wrote in
news:426fc0cd$1@newsgroups.borland.com:
> I too very much wish to wake Kylix. It very much to like me! If Borland
> has opened source codes Kylix OE IDE and the compiler that would be
> possible its and to wake:) As about FreeCLX? Borland goes on cooperation
> or does not want?
Ive posted a summary in "Kylix Community Project" thread.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-04-28, 4:06 am |
| Ed Purkiss <ed@me3inc.com> wrote in news:426fcdee@newsgroups.borland.com:
> I am so tired of the "Life of Kylix" debate - Chad, what can
> we devoted users do to assist in the reanimation process? Personally,
> I use Kylix almost exclusively as an SO builder for apache projects -
> there is almost no discussion about this enormously powerful
> combination. Is it simply that the P/L of extending our favorite
> language is not juicy enough to hold Borland's attention?
Ive posted a summary in "Kylix Community Project". Im not sure what users can
do other than just make some polite noise and put pressure on Borland.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| haword 2005-04-28, 9:01 am |
| ч рЙФЕТЕ МЕФП РТПЧПДЙЫШ? :) (ЙОЖБ У УБКФБ :)
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-04-28, 9:01 am |
| "haword" <haword?@mail.ru> wrote in news:42708ad8@newsgroups.borland.com:
> ? ?????? ???? ?????????? :) (???? ? ????? :)
Unfortunately your message doesnt contain an encoding, so all I see is a
bunch of Russian characters that dont form logical words. I guess you are
using KOI8-R, but your mail program didnt put that in the header so mine
intereted it likely as Windows encoding.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| haword 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| > Unfortunately your message doesnt contain an encoding, so all I see is a
> bunch of Russian characters that dont form logical words. I guess you are
> using KOI8-R, but your mail program didnt put that in the header so mine
> intereted it likely as Windows encoding.
Я так понял, Вы говорите по русски? Раз лето проводите в Питере.
Просто английский понимаю не очень хорошо. Вот и хочу узнать,
вообще Борланд хочет Kylix развивать или идти на встречу чтоб был OpenSource
или нет? Так как на Lazarus переходить не хочется из за GTK, не очень
нравиться мне этот интрефейс его да и кучу либ тащить за собой
приходиться, поболее чем в QT. Вот и ожидаю с нетерпением,
зохочет ли Borland что то сделать с Kylix или похоронит и забудет его,
несмотря на то что популярность Linux все возрастает и возрастает!
Ya tak ponyal, Vy govorite po russki? Raz leto provodite v Pitere.
Prosto angliiskii ponimayu ne ochen' horosho. Vot i hochu uznat',
voobshe Borland hochet Kylix razvivat ili idti na vstrechu chtob byl
OpenSource
ili net? Tak kak na Lazarus perehodit' ne hochetsya iz za GTK, ne ochen'
nravit'sya mne etot intrefeis ego da i kuchu lib tashit' za soboi
prihodit'sya, pobolee chem v QT. Vot i ozhidayu s neterpeniem,
zohochet li Borland chto to sdelat' s Kylix ili pohoronit i zabudet ego,
nesmotrya na to chto populyarnost' Linux vse vozrastaet i vozrastaet!
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| haword 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| Tak kak resil ya nemnogo rassevelit sait _www.kylix.ru, i napisal pismo v
Russkii support
borlanda i ona skazali sto proect zamarozen i ozivlyat ego planov net, a tut
eso i VirtualPascal
pomer, voobse tok odin FPC stalsya. Chut' li ne zakat pascalya nastupil pod
linux :( Gorko mne stalo iz za etogo!
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| Wow - now there is something interesting - Im really curious how this
happened. Now I see proper Russian in the message, but when I hit reply,
SOMETHING transribed the Russian characters into Latin transcription. It
didnt just replace but did a a proper transcription??? Xnews feature?? Aah
wait.. I see you did it down below and XNews just stripped out the Russian
on reply....
So the reply is transcribed because thats what my reader did. My mail
program and other support Russian but XNews doesnt seem to so...
Now if you can just try to understand below. :)
"haword" <haword?@mail.ru> wrote in
news:4270ca28$1@newsgroups.borland.com:
> Ya tak ponyal, Vy govorite po russki? Raz leto provodite v Pitere.
Da, ya gavaroo nimnoshka. Ne ochen harosho eshyo. :) I zhivoo v Pitere v
leto na normalneya god. Eshyo eta god ne normalneya e mwee na Kipr sechas.
Boodoo v Pitere snova mozhet beet yulia ili mozhet beet sentabyar. Isle vee
v Piter mozhet vestreechasa.
> Prosto angliiskii ponimayu ne ochen' horosho. Vot i hochu uznat',
Nu, vasha angliiski bolee horosho chem mya Ruskii. :)
> voobshe Borland hochet Kylix razvivat ili idti na vstrechu chtob byl
> OpenSource
> ili net? Tak kak na Lazarus perehodit' ne hochetsya iz za GTK, ne ochen'
Ne tochna. Borland hochet Open Source CLX, no ne IDE. Ne esyho, mozhet beet
posle, no ne eshyo tochna.
> prihodit'sya, pobolee chem v QT. Vot i ozhidayu s neterpeniem,
> zohochet li Borland chto to sdelat' s Kylix ili pohoronit i zabudet ego,
> nesmotrya na to chto populyarnost' Linux vse vozrastaet i vozrastaet!
Znaesh Borland est bolshoy offis v Piter? Eta okola nasha novie kvartera,
peshkom tree minutki.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| haword 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| > I zhivoo v Pitere v
> leto na normalneya god. Eshyo eta god ne normalneya e mwee na Kipr sechas.
> Boodoo v Pitere snova mozhet beet yulia ili mozhet beet sentabyar. Isle
> vee
> v Piter mozhet vestreechasa.
mozhet byt' :) No ya ne zivy v Pitere, hotya mozhet byt' k koncu leta budu
tam!
> Nu, vasha angliiski bolee horosho chem mya Ruskii. :)
Ne byd' takim skromnym :) ! U tebya horoshii russkii!
> Ne tochna. Borland hochet Open Source CLX, no ne IDE. Ne esyho, mozhet
> beet
> posle, no ne eshyo tochna.
Ploho! Bez update Kylix i ego IDE u CLX ne budet buduyusego! Tak kak CLX
only for Kylix compiler! A Kylix compiler and IDE starymi stali. Na novyh
Linux ne
rabotayut horoso.
> Znaesh Borland est bolshoy offis v Piter? Eta okola nasha novie kvartera,
> peshkom tree minutki.
Net :) Ya ne iz Pitera!
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| Germбn Pablo Gentile 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote:
> Wow - now there is something interesting - Im really curious how this
> happened. Now I see proper Russian in the message, but when I hit
> reply, SOMETHING transribed the Russian characters into Latin
> transcription. It didnt just replace but did a a proper
> transcription??? Xnews feature?? Aah wait.. I see you did it down
> below and XNews just stripped out the Russian on reply....
>
> So the reply is transcribed because thats what my reader did. My mail
> program and other support Russian but XNews doesnt seem to so...
>
> Now if you can just try to understand below. :)
>
> "haword" <haword?@mail.ru> wrote in
> news:4270ca28$1@newsgroups.borland.com:
>
> Da, ya gavaroo nimnoshka. Ne ochen harosho eshyo. :) I zhivoo v
> Pitere v leto na normalneya god. Eshyo eta god ne normalneya e mwee
> na Kipr sechas. Boodoo v Pitere snova mozhet beet yulia ili mozhet
> beet sentabyar. Isle vee v Piter mozhet vestreechasa.
>
>
> Nu, vasha angliiski bolee horosho chem mya Ruskii. :)
>
>
> Ne tochna. Borland hochet Open Source CLX, no ne IDE. Ne esyho,
> mozhet beet posle, no ne eshyo tochna.
>
>
> Znaesh Borland est bolshoy offis v Piter? Eta okola nasha novie
> kvartera, peshkom tree minutki.
>
>
> --
> Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
> "Programming is an art form that fights back"
>
> Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
Anyway friends, why just dont talk in english? Or thats is a private
one?
My first language is not english, but i think is the only common way to
comunicate.
Best regards.
German.
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| "Germ?n Pablo Gentile" <german dot gentile at cyberiait dot com dot ar> wrote
in news:xn0e1j9me2qoyy1000@newsgroups.borland.com:
> Anyway friends, why just dont talk in english? Or thats is a private
> one?
No, its not private but he said that he's not very comfortable speakin gin
English.
> My first language is not english, but i think is the only common way to
> comunicate.
Yes, but many people have different levels of comfort. Germans generallly get
a lot of exposure to English as do the Dutch, so most that have some English
are pretty comfortable. Where as in Russia, English is not nearly as common
as in Germany and while technical people know some English, on average they
know much less and are far less comfortable in it.
He merely asked about Borlands plans for Kylix and if they planned to open
source it or not, the rest was just chatter about St Petersburg, and his
other options besides Kylix if Kylix will not "Awake".
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| haword 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| > .............. My first language is not english, but i think is the only
> common way to
> comunicate.
I'm sorry! I not good speak in english, i seen what in Chad speak in
russian and asked its in russian
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| Trane Francks 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com borland.public.kylix.non-technical:13918
On 04/28/2005 10:50 PM +0900, haword wrote:
> I'm sorry! I not good speak in english, i seen what in Chad speak in
> russian and asked its in russian
Harosho, Haword. This newsgroup needs some fun from time to time.
Reading your posts and understanding just a bit of it was fun. :)
Nu, vasha angliiski bolee horosho chem mya Ruskii. ;-)
I understood that line. It's true, too. :-)
Cheers,
trane
--
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
// Trane Francks trane@gol.com Tokyo, Japan
// Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty.
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| Marco van de Voort 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| On 2005-04-28, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <cpub@hower.org> wrote:
>
> Yes, but many people have different levels of comfort. Germans generallly get
> a lot of exposure to English as do the Dutch, so most that have some English
> are pretty comfortable. Where as in Russia, English is not nearly as common
> as in Germany and while technical people know some English, on average they
> know much less and are far less comfortable in it.
It would be nice if sb fluent in Russian and English would translate though.
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| Mat Ballard 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote:
> Ed Purkiss <ed@me3inc.com> wrote in news:426fcdee@newsgroups.borland.com:
>
>
>
> Ive posted a summary in "Kylix Community Project". Im not sure what users can
> do other than just make some polite noise and put pressure on Borland.
.... and keep a careful eye on the progress of Lazarus - apparently ZeosLib is
now working.
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| Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com borland.public.kylix.non-technical:13923
"Marco van de Voort" <marcov@stack.nl>[color=darkred]
> It would be nice if sb fluent in Russian and English would translate
> though.
Believe me, they not said anything important or new. :-) I'm Russian too.
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| "Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <cpub@hower.org>
> Ne tochna. Borland hochet Open Source CLX, no ne IDE. Ne esyho, mozhet
> beet
> posle, no ne eshyo tochna.
Rough translation: "Borland want to open source CLX, but not IDE. Maybe
sometime, but not now."
Interesting, do they understand that buggy CLX is only part of problem? Open
sourcing CLX help not much to developers as wast number of problems is IDE
and compiler. Closed source dbExpress drivers also.
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| Marco van de Voort <marcov@stack.nl> wrote in
news:slrnd72c4i.a7q.marcov@toad.stack.nl:
> It would be nice if sb fluent in Russian and English would translate
> though.
I posted a basic summary.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| haword 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| > Harosho, Haword. This newsgroup needs some fun from time to time. Reading
> your posts and understanding just a bit of it was fun. :)
:)
> Nu, vasha angliiski bolee horosho chem mya Ruskii. ;-)
> I understood that line. It's true, too. :-)
:)
Thanks!
?????
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| haword 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| $B$"$j$,$H$&(B
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| "Ender" <linuxmustdie@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:4271d803@newsgroups.borland.com:
> Rough translation: "Borland want to open source CLX, but not IDE. Maybe
> sometime, but not now."
>
> Interesting, do they understand that buggy CLX is only part of problem?
> Open sourcing CLX help not much to developers as wast number of problems
> is IDE and compiler. Closed source dbExpress drivers also.
There are many legal and other issues such as proprietary knowledge in
opening up the compiler and IDE. Even this is a possibility in the future,
however the first step and the only possibility in the short term is the CLX
library.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote:
> Wow - now there is something interesting - Im really curious how this
> happened. Now I see proper Russian in the message, but when I hit reply,
> SOMETHING transribed the Russian characters into Latin transcription. It
> didnt just replace but did a a proper transcription??? Xnews feature?? Aah
> wait.. I see you did it down below and XNews just stripped out the Russian
> on reply....
>
> So the reply is transcribed because thats what my reader did. My mail
> program and other support Russian but XNews doesnt seem to so...
>
> Now if you can just try to understand below. :)
I'm starting to think that this guy is just kidding.
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho <sekel@none> wrote in
news:4273e6e9@newsgroups.borland.com:
>
> I'm starting to think that this guy is just kidding.
Regarding what? My Russian isnt very good, but the intended recipient
understood it as did the other Russian speakers.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| "haword" <haword?@mail.ru> wrote in news:4270d4f8@newsgroups.borland.com:
> mozhet byt' :) No ya ne zivy v Pitere, hotya mozhet byt' k koncu leta
budu
> tam!
BTW, XNews can read Russian font if you encode it as you did last time, it
just doesnt seem to support me replying in Russian even though I have
Russian installed.
Im not sure if I'll be in St Petersburg before mid July, in fact it may be
September before I am able to return. I just left there a w ago for
Cyprus.
> Ploho! Bez update Kylix i ego IDE u CLX ne budet buduyusego! Tak kak CLX
> only for Kylix compiler! A Kylix compiler and IDE starymi stali. Na novyh
> Linux ne
> rabotayut horoso.
Yes, we are well aware of all the issues. But working on CLX is the FIRST
step. If we cannot even make this first step, then the others do not matter
anyways.
kvartera,[color=darkred]
> Net :) Ya ne iz Pitera!
The office there is nearly 100% Java based anyways.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| haword 2005-05-01, 9:19 pm |
| > Yes, we are well aware of all the issues. But working on CLX is the FIRST
> step. If we cannot even make this first step, then the others do not
matter
> anyways.
Yes, first step need, but this step not must become last step in open source
Borland company!
Borland can lose users which uses Kylix. If this Borland not interests, then
will very bad :(
Chad, when wait news for this? When end all problem in FreeCLX?
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-05-02, 4:04 pm |
| "haword" <haword@mail.ru> wrote in news:4275060d@newsgroups.borland.com:
> Chad, when wait news for this? When end all problem in FreeCLX?
I dont know. Its completely in the hands of Borland right now. Maybe
tomorrow, maybe next month, maybe never.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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| haword 2005-05-02, 4:04 pm |
| Clearly! chances is null :( 2 ways only:
1) Lazarus and FreePascal
2) Write new IDE and CLX where basis OpenSource the compiler Borland!
Can be create voite and write the letter of users Kylix for its translation
on OpenSource?
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| Den Jean 2005-05-03, 9:00 pm |
| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote:
>
> Yes, we are well aware of all the issues. But working on CLX is the FIRST
> step. If we cannot even make this first step, then the others do not
> matter anyways.
>
You allready have the CLX library.
We allready upgraded the FreeCLX project to he point that
it is binary compatible with the CLX of Kylix 3.
So you have the source and the generator of libqtintf.
--> http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtforfpc/
look in http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs....pc/qt2/FreeClx/
I also transformed this into a binding for Qt/Embedded (zaurus)
--> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/qtforfpc/qte/
I didn't upload the adapted Qt/Embbeded generator,
It would need a huge README anyhow, with step by step instructions
to install it as it needs a Zaurus compatible development environment
(gcc,libc,... etc).
I use the Zaurus demolinux 3.0 iso.
--> http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linu...Contrib/Zaurus/
So if anyone feels like upgrading this to a CLX on Qt3/4, feel free.
kind regards,
Den Jean
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| Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu 2005-05-04, 9:00 am |
| Den Jean <Den.Jean@telenet.be> wrote in news:4277e2da@newsgroups.borland.com:
> You allready have the CLX library.
And no rights to distribute all units. You have to rely on patches, which
often conflict with other patches. What I was speaking of was official,
consolidated updates which we do NOT have. There are also a few crticial bug
fixes which require some binary changes if we are to really move forward.
--
Chad Z. Hower (a.k.a. Kudzu) - http://www.hower.org/Kudzu/
"Programming is an art form that fights back"
Blog: http://blogs.atozed.com/kudzu
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