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| Loda_Schitt 2007-08-26, 4:35 am |
| Hi.
I have a dilemma. I recently fell into testing software and discovered
I have quite a knack for it. I've moved very quickly into a senior
position in my company
I would like to further my career, especially by moving to the US but
I dont know how to go about it.
Also I dont know if I should stay put as I work for a great company
and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Suggestions?
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| > I would like to further my career, especially by moving to the US but
> I dont know how to go about it.
> Also I dont know if I should stay put as I work for a great company
> and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
> Suggestions?
Why do you think you need to more to the US to further your career?
-adam
http://adam.goucher.ca
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| H. S. Lahman 2007-08-26, 7:24 pm |
| Responding to Loda_Schitt...
> I would like to further my career, especially by moving to the US but
> I dont know how to go about it.
Moving to the US might not be the best plan. The US is rapidly becoming
the last stronghold of using testing as a product quality gate in the
world. [IMO, that neanderthal view is a substantial contributor to the
recent trend in software moving offshore from the US. But I digress...]
> Also I dont know if I should stay put as I work for a great company
> and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I would be inclined to sit tight, then. You are getting recognized for
your work and you seem to like the place. Finding good places to work is
not all that easy.
FWIW, I spent the last 20 years before retiring in one shop because it
was very professional and had a good bunch of very competent people. I
wasn't the only one who felt that way. Average tenure was over a decade
and I was the only one in the group who had every worked for another
company. There were people who had been there longer than I had. Our
main cause of attrition was people moving on to become managers in other
parts of the corporation.
*************
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not be cured by a capful of Drano.
H. S. Lahman
hsl@pathfindermda.com
Pathfinder Solutions
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| Loda_Schitt 2007-08-26, 7:24 pm |
| I've found Canadian companies, with the exception of my current place,
very stifling
Also, there is more opportunity, growth, and technology in the US.
The money is better and the taxes are lower
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:49:25 -0700, adam <adam_goucher@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>Why do you think you need to more to the US to further your career?
>
>-adam
>http://adam.goucher.ca
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| Loda_Schitt 2007-08-26, 7:24 pm |
| So I take it, you are not into vocational promiscuity?
It seems that many people are taking the short term mercenary approach
to max out on money
I do concern myself with liking where are work. I think I'm agreement
with you. Please comment on what you think of vocational promiscuity
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 16:13:03 GMT, "H. S. Lahman"
<h.lahman@verizon.net> wrote:
>Responding to Loda_Schitt...
>
>
>Moving to the US might not be the best plan. The US is rapidly becoming
>the last stronghold of using testing as a product quality gate in the
>world. [IMO, that neanderthal view is a substantial contributor to the
>recent trend in software moving offshore from the US. But I digress...]
>
>
>I would be inclined to sit tight, then. You are getting recognized for
>your work and you seem to like the place. Finding good places to work is
>not all that easy.
>
>FWIW, I spent the last 20 years before retiring in one shop because it
>was very professional and had a good bunch of very competent people. I
>wasn't the only one who felt that way. Average tenure was over a decade
>and I was the only one in the group who had every worked for another
>company. There were people who had been there longer than I had. Our
>main cause of attrition was people moving on to become managers in other
>parts of the corporation.
>
>
>*************
>There is nothing wrong with me that could
>not be cured by a capful of Drano.
>
>H. S. Lahman
>hsl@pathfindermda.com
>Pathfinder Solutions
>http://www.pathfindermda.com
>blog: http://pathfinderpeople.blogs.com/hslahman
>"Model-Based Translation: The Next Step in Agile Development". Email
>info@pathfindermda.com for your copy.
>Pathfinder is hiring:
>http://www.pathfindermda.com/about_us/careers_pos3.php.
>(888)OOA-PATH
>
>
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| Ernie Englehart 2007-08-26, 7:24 pm |
|
"Loda_Schitt" <loda.schit@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:tm42d3pg10c3sn2d6utfchrlnlvitinqag@
4ax.com...
> Hi.
> I have a dilemma. I recently fell into testing software and discovered
> I have quite a knack for it. I've moved very quickly into a senior
> position in my company
>=20
> I would like to further my career, especially by moving to the US but
> I dont know how to go about it.
> Also I dont know if I should stay put as I work for a great company
> and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
> Suggestions?
If you like what you are doing, like the company, and are becoming a =
highly respected leader there, why would you consider leaving? I wish I =
had such a dilemma. However, it never hurts to post your resume to =
Monster and CareerBuilder and see if anyone bites. I also suggest that =
if you choose to market yourself that you get a certification. They =
look great on resumes and demonstrate your knowledge and commitment to =
the profession. I recommend the Certified Software Quality Engineer =
(CSQE) certification offered by the American Society for Quality. The =
CSQE is the most comprehensive software certification in the world as it =
covers all aspects of software quality, not just testing.
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| Loda_Schitt 2007-08-26, 7:24 pm |
| Sorry, not highly respected leader but moving up rapidly
just envious of other people, but I've worked for some HORRENDOUS
places which is why I am stayin put
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:54:19 -0500, "Ernie Englehart"
<eenglehart@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Loda_Schitt" <loda.schit@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tm42d3pg10c3sn2d6utfchrlnlvitinqag@
4ax.com...
>
>If you like what you are doing, like the company, and are becoming a highly respected leader there, why would you consider leaving? I wish I had such a dilemma. However, it never hurts to post your resume to Monster and CareerBuilder and see if anyone
bites. I also suggest that if you choose to market yourself that you get a certification. They look great on resumes and demonstrate your knowledge and commitment to the profession. I recommend the Certified Software Quality Engineer (CSQE) certificati
on offered by the American Society for Quality. The CSQE is the most comprehensive software certification in the world as it covers all aspects of software quality, not just testing.
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| Ernie Englehart 2007-08-26, 7:24 pm |
| If you are moving up the corporate ladder and are now have a senior =
position, you are becoming a highly respected leader in your company. =
Others will be envious of you and your success and they will come to you =
for your technical advice and guidance.
"Loda_Schitt" <loda.schit@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:8mu3d3hltojbmpndopdo4spvj7vgj3g0tb@
4ax.com...[color=darkred]
> Sorry, not highly respected leader but moving up rapidly
> just envious of other people, but I've worked for some HORRENDOUS
> places which is why I am stayin put
>=20
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:54:19 -0500, "Ernie Englehart"
> <eenglehart@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
news:tm42d3pg10c3sn2d6utfchrlnlvitinqag@
4ax.com...[color=darkred]
discovered[color=darkred]
but[color=darkred]
highly respected leader there, why would you consider leaving? I wish I =
had such a dilemma. However, it never hurts to post your resume to =
Monster and CareerBuilder and see if anyone bites. I also suggest that =
if you choose to market yourself that you get a certification. They =
look great on resumes and demonstrate your knowledge and commitment to =
the profession. I recommend the Certified Software Quality Engineer =
(CSQE) certification offered by the American Society for Quality. The =
CSQE is the most comprehensive software certification in the world as it =
covers all aspects of software quality, not just testing.
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| Shmuel Gershon 2007-08-27, 4:44 am |
| On Aug 27, 1:13 am, Loda_Schitt <loda.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, not highly respected leader but moving up rapidly
> just envious of other people, but I've worked for some HORRENDOUS
> places which is why I am stayin put
Hi Loda.
Staying put may be a very good strategy.
You told us you are new in the testing position, and being successful
meanwhile. Maybe it would be a good idea to gather more experience in
this position, and then using this big experience to choose the next
steps for the career.
Moving to copy other people's success will not necessarily make you
more successful (or happier).
Think about what you called "the short term mercenary approach" -- is
this really a path you'll be able to follow comfortably?
I'm not suggesting to be loyal forever and stay where you are forever
(although it is a good path for some).
I am suggesting that satisfaction with the work and the colleagues
usually will make you happier than a higher pay in a less thrilling
environment.
Shmuel
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| Loda_Schitt 2007-08-27, 11:52 am |
| Thankyou all for your helpful responses
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:02:46 -0000, Shmuel Gershon
<sgershon@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 27, 1:13 am, Loda_Schitt <loda.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Loda.
>Staying put may be a very good strategy.
>You told us you are new in the testing position, and being successful
>meanwhile. Maybe it would be a good idea to gather more experience in
>this position, and then using this big experience to choose the next
>steps for the career.
>
>Moving to copy other people's success will not necessarily make you
>more successful (or happier).
>Think about what you called "the short term mercenary approach" -- is
>this really a path you'll be able to follow comfortably?
>I'm not suggesting to be loyal forever and stay where you are forever
>(although it is a good path for some).
>I am suggesting that satisfaction with the work and the colleagues
>usually will make you happier than a higher pay in a less thrilling
>environment.
>
>Shmuel
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| H. S. Lahman 2007-08-27, 11:52 am |
| Responding to Loda_Schitt...
> Please comment on what you think of vocational promiscuity
It depends circumstances. Most software shops are zoos and one is going
to be unhappy. So if the choice is one zoo versus another, one may as
well follow the money.
An extreme in this case is Intel where there is a very confrontational
culture that is so institutionalized that the HR people talk about it
quite a bit in the orientation before job interviews because they feel
they need to warn interviewees about it. OTOH, Intel pays well and has
good benefits. So one Intel employee described the place to me as, "A
company filled with unhappy people who are very well compensated for
their unhappiness."
The tricky part is finding a truly professional software shop because
there aren't that many around. Finding a shop that has its act together,
where you are recognized for your work, where the work is challenging,
and where you like the people is tough. If one values those things, then
the money tends to become less important.
*************
There is nothing wrong with me that could
not be cured by a capful of Drano.
H. S. Lahman
hsl@pathfindermda.com
Pathfinder Solutions
http://www.pathfindermda.com
blog: http://pathfinderpeople.blogs.com/hslahman
"Model-Based Translation: The Next Step in Agile Development". Email
info@pathfindermda.com for your copy.
Pathfinder is hiring:
http://www.pathfindermda.com/about_us/careers_pos3.php.
(888)OOA-PATH
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