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Outsourcing Testing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| enlume@gmail.com 2007-05-29, 8:12 am |
| What are the benefits a company will have on outsourcing their testing
tasks.?????
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| Vladimir Trushkin 2007-05-29, 8:12 am |
| On May 29, 3:39 pm, "enl...@gmail.com" <enl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What are the benefits a company will have on outsourcing their testing
> tasks.?????
Depending on what you are trying to achieve with outsourcing it may
be:
-- cost saving (due to lower outsourcing prices)
-- better quality of service (if your you can't rely on the
corresponding in-house service)
-- no appropriate costly hardware or specific knowledge (in the latter
case I would recommend hiring a consultant)
I guess most of outsourcing projects are aimed at saving the
development cost this is why outsourcing is growing very fast in the
India, China, and Easter Europe.
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Best Wishes,
Vladimir
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| H. S. Lahman 2007-05-29, 10:10 pm |
| Responding to Enlume...
> What are the benefits a company will have on outsourcing their testing
> tasks.?????
The Big Three issues for almost anything related to software development
are: Cost, Quality, and Schedule.
Cost is a popular reason. However, this is often an illusion because to
do outsourcing one needs a well-formed SRS, which most shops don't have.
Moreover, getting the customer or customer surrogates to provide one may
be quite difficult. In addition, any changes to the SRS need to be
communicated. So the additional cost of preparing and managing a good
SRS may well offset any benefits from lower test development costs.
Quality of testing is often the biggest benefit. Outsource vendors can
be highly specialized with far more training and experience than
in-house shops. IME there is at least an order of magnitude difference
in test quality among testers. Outsource vendors also have economies of
scale working so they can have state-of-the-art support software for
things like automatic test generation.
Schedule conformance is usually less important because testing is
naturally suited to prioritized incremental development. However, the
specialized nature of outsourced testing can make estimation more
accurate in an experienced vendor.
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| joe.strazzere@gmail.com 2007-05-29, 10:10 pm |
| On May 29, 8:39 am, "enl...@gmail.com" <enl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What are the benefits a company will have on outsourcing their testing
> tasks.?????
Cost.
But, in my opinion, that is usually outweighed by other factors.
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| Wolfram Jahn 2007-05-29, 10:10 pm |
| enlume@gmail.com schrieb:
> What are the benefits a company will have on outsourcing their testing
> tasks.?????
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Frequently, the main benefit is that a manager gets a bonus for reducing
testing cost by 10%.
Lowering productivity by 50%, but this has OF COURSE nothing to do with
test outsourcing, but with the stupidity of the remaining staff.
Hmmm, can we outsource the whole remainig IT, too?
Wolfram
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| Mats Wolpers 2007-05-30, 4:23 am |
| In article <f3i62b$th2$03$1@news.t-online.com>,
Wolfram Jahn <wjng@kirchweg.de> wrote:
> enlume@gmail.com schrieb:
> Frequently, the main benefit is that a manager gets a bonus for reducing
> testing cost by 10%.
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> Lowering productivity by 50%, but this has OF COURSE nothing to do with
> test outsourcing, but with the stupidity of the remaining staff.
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> Hmmm, can we outsource the whole remainig IT, too?
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> Wolfram
given the cost distribution amongst staff, has anybody considered
outsourcing management, ever?
well yes it started as a snipe, but it's turning serious as i write. i
expect the answer is no, but is it?
mats
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| Vladimir Trushkin 2007-05-30, 4:23 am |
| On May 30, 7:02 am, Mats Wolpers <nospam.mats.wolp...@freenet.de>
wrote:
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> given the cost distribution amongst staff, has anybody considered
> outsourcing management, ever?
It's not so uncommon if you mean middle level management. I know many
organizations to which projects are outsources as a whole. Only
marketing matters and some acceptance testing are left for a customer
to do.
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Best Wishes,
Vladimir
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| Yes I agree. It is not uncommon to outsource whole project including
management, development and testing. I guess another benefit of
outsourcing/distributed team is round-the-clock some one is working on
the project. I have seen many cases where daily builds and testing
cycle were completed in 24 hours.
Thanks,
G
[url]WWW.TestingG.Com[/url] - *UPDATED*
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Learn, Share and Keep Learning.
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| JohnSteele 2007-05-30, 8:12 am |
| When I was laid off in 2004, after the beginning of outsourcing of
testing at my employer, I went to work for one of the outsourcing
vendors. I used to tell people that they outsourced my job and I
followed it to India. Companies to see some of the benefits Vladmir
lists, some do not. A great deal depends on the maturity of the
organization and its management. For those that were well organized,
but just couldn't get the people locally to do the work, they came out
ahead. For those who just didn't like the idea of spending money on
testing, and thought "out of sight, out of mind", they just got the
nightmare of trying to manage and international operation without
proper management commitment.
There is a time and a place for outsourcing.If cost is the only
driver, I think you will be disappointed in the long run. Most people
forget about the overhead of managing diverse teams spread around the
world. They also forget about the value of the knowledge lost when the
people working for the vendor change jobs and leave their project. (We
had 30%+ turnover on my projects.) As will everything, the most well
organized, well informed, and thoughtful you are, the better will be
your result.
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John Steele, Consultant, Quality Architecture, Steele Logic Consulting
LLC
www.steelelogic.com, Blog: www.steelelogic.com/wordpress/
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| Thats right John, cost is probably *One of* the benefits of
outsourcing, and organizations focusing only on this benefit might not
realize the full benefit. Thats why in the recent time, instead of
outsourcing, people have started using right-sourcing, which is more
appropriate. Because now work in being sourced from vendors who are
right/best for the job.
Thanks,
G
[url]WWW.TestingG.Com[/url] - *UPDATED*
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Learn, Share and Keep Learning.
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| JohnSteele 2007-05-31, 7:16 pm |
| On May 31, 3:23 am, G <TestingG...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Thats right John, cost is probably *One of* the benefits of
> outsourcing, and organizations focusing only on this benefit might not
> realize the full benefit. Thats why in the recent time, instead of
> outsourcing, people have started using right-sourcing, which is more
> appropriate. Because now work in being sourced from vendors who are
> right/best for the job.
>
> Thanks,
> G
> [url]WWW.TestingG.Com[/url] - *UPDATED*
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Learn, Share and Keep Learning.
Absolutely correct once again. That's why people hire me. If short
term cost were the only factor, I'd be out of work.
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John Steele, Consultant, Quality Architecture, Steele Logic Consulting
LLC
www.steelelogic.com, Blog: www.steelelogic.com/wordpress/
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