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Author Magnetic Pendulum
Martin Koschi

2005-11-15, 4:03 am

Hello, I have some questions.
Does somebody have the magneticpendulum problem solved as a mathematica
notebook, which he can send me?

If not can somebody explain my how i can solve that problem? I have to simulate a magnetic pendulum in mathematica.

thx a lot

David Park

2005-11-16, 4:01 am

Martin,

Just start a Mathematica Notebook. Use Sections to organize your work.

Perhaps you will make a Statement of Problem section where you will define
your equations, parameters and initial conditions.

Then make a Solution Section where you will try to solve the equations using
NDSolve. Once you get your solutions you can try to plot them.

Maybe you will have additional Sections treating specific cases or classes
of cases. Maybe you will want to check simplified cases where the solution
reduces to an ordinary small oscillation pendulum.

You will probably have to use trial and error to get to a useful point. If
you have real trouble at some point, say with the differential equations and
how to feed them into NDSolve, post the equations and your attempt to this
group. There are many people here, not me, who know a lot about differential
equations and will probably give you good help. Post the code by converting
the cell to InputForm and then copying and pasting into a posting.

David Park
djmp@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~djmp/


rom: Martin Koschi [mailto:martin.koschi@gmx.net]

Hello, I have some questions.
Does somebody have the magneticpendulum problem solved as a mathematica
notebook, which he can send me?

If not can somebody explain my how i can solve that problem? I have to
simulate a magnetic pendulum in mathematica.

thx a lot


2005-11-16, 4:01 am


Well,
Do you really think that Mathgroup is a mailing list for copying homework
assignment ???
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yehuda

On 11/15/05, Martin Koschi <martin.koschi@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Hello, I have some questions.
> Does somebody have the magneticpendulum problem solved as a mathematica
> notebook, which he can send me?
>
> If not can somebody explain my how i can solve that problem? I have to
> simulate a magnetic pendulum in mathematica.
>
> thx a lot
>
>



Igor Antonio

2005-11-17, 3:59 am

Nice way of saying "don't ask us to do your homework for you," David. :-)

Martin, show us your attempt at trying to do it and where you're having problems
and then the newsgroup can help.

Igor

David Park wrote:
> Martin,
>
> Just start a Mathematica Notebook. Use Sections to organize your work.
>
> Perhaps you will make a Statement of Problem section where you will define
> your equations, parameters and initial conditions.
>
> Then make a Solution Section where you will try to solve the equations using
> NDSolve. Once you get your solutions you can try to plot them.
>
> Maybe you will have additional Sections treating specific cases or classes
> of cases. Maybe you will want to check simplified cases where the solution
> reduces to an ordinary small oscillation pendulum.
>
> You will probably have to use trial and error to get to a useful point. If
> you have real trouble at some point, say with the differential equations and
> how to feed them into NDSolve, post the equations and your attempt to this
> group. There are many people here, not me, who know a lot about differential
> equations and will probably give you good help. Post the code by converting
> the cell to InputForm and then copying and pasting into a posting.
>
> David Park
> djmp@earthlink.net
> http://home.earthlink.net/~djmp/
>
>
> rom: Martin Koschi [mailto:martin.koschi@gmx.net]
>
> Hello, I have some questions.
> Does somebody have the magneticpendulum problem solved as a mathematica
> notebook, which he can send me?
>
> If not can somebody explain my how i can solve that problem? I have to
> simulate a magnetic pendulum in mathematica.
>
> thx a lot
>



--


Igor C. Antonio
Wolfram Research, Inc.
http://www.wolfram.com

To email me personally, remove the dash.

Urijah Kaplan

2005-11-17, 3:59 am

Martin Koschi wrote:
> Hello, I have some questions.
> Does somebody have the magneticpendulum problem solved as a mathematica
> notebook, which he can send me?
>
> If not can somebody explain my how i can solve that problem? I have to simulate a magnetic pendulum in mathematica.
>
> thx a lot
>


Try typing "magnetic pendulum mathematica" (without the quotes) into
Google and see what happens...

--Urijah Kaplan

Kevin J. McCann

2005-11-17, 7:06 pm

You should note that the first site, which actually shows a calculation,
is not actually doing a magnetic pendulum. The force law quoted is that
for an electrostatic pendulum. The magnetic force in the problem is a
dipole-dipole interaction, and that is not used on the website.

Kevin


Igor Antonio wrote:

> Nice way of saying "don't ask us to do your homework for you," David. :-)
>
> Martin, show us your attempt at trying to do it and where you're having problems
> and then the newsgroup can help.
>
> Igor
>
> David Park wrote:
>
>
>
>


p.ramsden@imperial.ac.uk

2005-11-18, 7:58 am

I think this one gets filed under "worth a try".

Link to the forum page for this post:
http://www.mathematica-users.org/we...&pid=6075#p6075
Posted through http://www.mathematica-users.org [[postId=6075]]


Pratik Desai

2005-11-19, 7:57 am

p.ramsden@imperial.ac.uk wrote:

>I think this one gets filed under "worth a try".
>
>Link to the forum page for this post:
>http://www.mathematica-users.org/we...&pid=6075#p6075
>Posted through http://www.mathematica-users.org [[postId=6075]]
>
>
>
>

Here are some helpful sites,

For the mathematical model (perhaps this will do)

http://dept.physics.upenn.edu/cours...ction3_2_5.html

I have found this add-on package VisualDSolve invaluable in doing my
non-linear dynamics problems (unfortunately I did not get credit for
some of the homeworks because it was too easy :-( using VisualDSolve)
Oh by the way it is not free, you have to buy it

http://www.utpb.edu/scimath/wkfield/mod4/Visual.html
http://store.wolfram.com/arrive.cgi.../book/D0706.str

To plot the fractals the code is given here

http://mathforum.org/advanced/robertd/newtons.html


Hope this helps

Pratik

--
Pratik Desai
Graduate Student
UMBC
Department of Mechanical Engineering
Phone: 410 455 8134


Chris Chiasson

2005-11-20, 3:59 am

VisualDSolve reminds me of the new Equation Trekker
--
http://chrischiasson.com/contact/chris_chiasson

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