PERL CGI Beginners - Re: New Website for Perl Beginners: perlmeme.org

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Re: New Website for Perl Beginners: perlmeme.org

Rob Bryant

2005-10-03, 7:55 am

On 10/2/05, Ovid <publiustemp-beginnerscgi2@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> There's more and nitpicking seems petty <snip>

Yep, you're right on the money with that. It does indeed seem petty.
So did Randal "I am Unhealthily Obsessed With The Flinstones"
Schwartz's earlier post. One would assume (apparently erroneously,
however) that the "perl community" would generally be more
enncouraging than discouraging the kind of effort the original poster
put forth.

Anyway, this thread wasn't a complete waste. Now I remember why I
always start to use Perl but then abandon it-- great tool, crappy
community.

Charles K. Clarkson

2005-10-03, 7:55 am

Rob Bryant <mailto:rob.bryant@gmail.com> wrote:

: On 10/2/05, Ovid <publiustemp-beginnerscgi2@yahoo.com> wrote:
: <snip>
: : There's more and nitpicking seems petty <snip>
:
: Yep, you're right on the money with that. It does indeed seem
: petty.

Perhaps that's why he left it out.

Are you are arguing that Ovid's critique of perlmeme.org was
petty? I think you miss the point of the web site. It is meant
to teach programmers better programming practices.

<excerpt>
This site is devoted to spreading the perl meme and to providing
an easy place to find complete, working examples of good Perl
code.
</excerpt>

Having publicly proclaimed that their site provides "good
perl code" and "working examples", it is imperative that the
better programmers in the perl community test these examples for
those claims. Not doing this would be detrimental to the community
as we would have "approved" sites advancing poor code.

Ovid checked the code and found some of it didn't run while
other example were not well written. He then reported it here on
the relevant thread. There is nothing petty in this. He would be
irresponsible to the perl community had he not done this.

: So did Randal "I am Unhealthily Obsessed With The Flinstones"
: Schwartz's earlier post.

[yawn] Ad hominem attacks are not a replacement for sound
arguments.

: One would assume (apparently erroneously, however) that the
: "perl community" would generally be more enncouraging (sic) than
: discouraging the kind of effort the original poster put forth.

How was Randal discouraging the perlmeme.org contributors? He
said he would remove his complaint with the addition of just one
link. That link would *include* them into our community, not
exclude them.

: Anyway, this thread wasn't a complete waste. Now I remember why
: I always start to use Perl but then abandon it-- great tool,
: crappy community.

I find the perl community to be a fine one. I have found,
though, that I only get from any group what I add to it. If I
can only add pessimism . . .

HTH,

Charles K. Clarkson
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254 968-8328

Bill Stephenson

2005-10-04, 7:55 am

On Oct 2, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Rob Bryant wrote:

>
> Anyway, this thread wasn't a complete waste. Now I remember why I
> always start to use Perl but then abandon it-- great tool, crappy
> community.

Rob, that's just not true. Randal and Ovid made some valid points and
both did so gracefully. They've also both helped me immensely in the
last few w

s.

I'm reading Randal's "Learning Perl Objects..." and learning about
CGI::Prototype and CGI::Application right now, and I just finished
going though most of "Ovid's CGI Course". Honestly, I've spent the last
few w

s following pointers they took the the time to provide and
really, I don't know what I'd do without these guys.

Charles is right when he said, "I only get from any group what I add to
it". I do what I can around here, but I readily admit that mostly I try
to follow good advice.

Look at this issue from this perspective for just a moment... You
announce to an official "Perl" mailing list a "Perl" related website
and the guy that wrote the book on learning the subject says "If you
add a prominent link to learn.perl.org, I will withdraw my complaint."

His only complaint... totally withdrawn, with an invitation to link to
a site he recommends. Wow, I'd be honored. I'd be thrilled and
motivated, and after dancing around the room, I'd add that link as fast
as I could... and I'd try to keep following good advice.

Kindest Regards,

--
Bill Stephenson

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