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what if you're an architect AND a developer?!?!?!
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| Dushan Bilbija 2005-11-17, 7:02 pm |
| i'm not sure the whole "let's divide this up by roles" idea is good.... if
you're a small business, chances are you play multiple roles. so now you
have to buy multiple versions or shell out $$$$$ for the suite. how is that
helpful for developers?
not very good. am i the only one thinking this?
dushan bilbija
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| Axel Dahmen 2005-11-17, 7:02 pm |
| Well, I tend to believe that if you are working in a small company your
projects won't be this big to require you to do architect or testing.
UML is just a means of communicating workflow throughout the team without
the necessity to explain it personally in your words. If you can address
your staff personally, you most probably won't need UML. ... And if your
projects *really* grow that big that you'll need to test for load stress and
have others test your code for you then you will definitively have the money
in your pocket to spend it on another version of DevStudio.
My 2 cents...
Axel Dahmen
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"Dushan Bilbija" <dbilbija@msn.com> wrote in message
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> i'm not sure the whole "let's divide this up by roles" idea is good.... if
> you're a small business, chances are you play multiple roles. so now you
> have to buy multiple versions or shell out $$$$$ for the suite. how is
that
> helpful for developers?
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> not very good. am i the only one thinking this?
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> dushan bilbija
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| On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:12:28 +0100, Axel Dahmen wrote:
> Well, I tend to believe that if you are working in a small company your
> projects won't be this big to require you to do architect or testing.
Small projects don't require testing?! The way I see it, it's the other
way around. If you're small, you damn sure better test if you want to be
big. Once you're big, you don't need to test - you let the users test and
put up a site to make bug-fixed versions available real-time. The users
will apologize for you because they've loved you since you were small :-)
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> UML is just a means of communicating workflow throughout the team without
> the necessity to explain it personally in your words. If you can address
> your staff personally, you most probably won't need UML. ... And if your
> projects *really* grow that big that you'll need to test for load stress and
> have others test your code for you then you will definitively have the money
> in your pocket to spend it on another version of DevStudio.
>
> My 2 cents...
> Axel Dahmen
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> "Dushan Bilbija" <dbilbija@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23w5$p946FHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> that
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| Robert Beaubien 2005-11-17, 7:02 pm |
| I too need, both Architect and Developer, but unfortunately, I selected
Architect and now I'm stuck with it. MS also promised a $1200 upgrade to
the full Team Suite subscription but they aren't honoring it.
--
- Robert Beaubien
- President
- Kool Software
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"BobF" <rNfOrSePeAzMe@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:12:28 +0100, Axel Dahmen wrote:
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> Small projects don't require testing?! The way I see it, it's the other
> way around. If you're small, you damn sure better test if you want to be
> big. Once you're big, you don't need to test - you let the users test and
> put up a site to make bug-fixed versions available real-time. The users
> will apologize for you because they've loved you since you were small :-)
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| Dushan Bilbija 2005-11-17, 7:02 pm |
| problem is... if you're small, you're also likely to be working for many a
company on specific applications. uml is the right way to present your
design to the company developers. it's also the easy way to go from concept
to code and back.
it just seems msft took vstudio and carved it up for specific uses.... but
then decided to charge for each.
which is lame.
vstudio.net was cheap when it was in the early adoption phase... now that
it's the company standard, the price gets jacked way up.
dushan
"Axel Dahmen" <NO_SPAM@NoOneKnows.invalid> wrote in message
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> Well, I tend to believe that if you are working in a small company your
> projects won't be this big to require you to do architect or testing.
>
> UML is just a means of communicating workflow throughout the team without
> the necessity to explain it personally in your words. If you can address
> your staff personally, you most probably won't need UML. ... And if your
> projects *really* grow that big that you'll need to test for load stress
> and
> have others test your code for you then you will definitively have the
> money
> in your pocket to spend it on another version of DevStudio.
>
> My 2 cents...
> Axel Dahmen
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>
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> "Dushan Bilbija" <dbilbija@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23w5$p946FHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> that
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| Axel Dahmen 2005-11-21, 7:57 am |
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"BobF" <rNfOrSePeAzMe@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:12:28 +0100, Axel Dahmen wrote:
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> Small projects don't require testing?!
Sorry, what I actually meant was the Testing version of VS. Smaller projects
can easily be tested by the ones who have programmed the functions without
creating a formal testing scenario. IMHO, no testing concept is required
here. In fact, it would slow down the development process without reason for
setting up unnecessary formal testing scenarios.
Axel
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| ctrucza 2005-11-22, 4:00 am |
| That no testcase management is included in the Professional or VSTS for
Developers is not that strange.
However, that the Professional does not include unit testing support
strikes me as a marketing-drone decision.
And the funny thing is that if VSTS would not include unit testing
support I would not be so disappointed.
While I don't know what UT support looks in the VSTS, I would not call
*any* ide Professional without unit testing support.
Now you can call me fanatic...
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