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| devils 2005-10-28, 6:56 pm |
| The Empower site states:
One (1) MSDN Universal Media kit (DVD)
The MSDN Visual Studio site states:
Upon release of these new subscriptions, MSDN Universal and MSDN Enterprise
will no longer be offered for sale and qualifying MSDN Universal and MSDN
Enterprise subscribers will be upgraded, at no additional cost, to one of the
higher value MSDN Premium subscriptions for the Visual Studio Team System
role-based products.
Of course MS Legal would say that the above line states "qualifying MSDN
Universal and MSDN Enterprise subscribers", but then I would say it does not
specifically say in the Empower website that it isn't a qualified account,
and since it doesn't who makes that determination?
I'm sure in time something will be "found" on some MS site that states that
my findings are not accurate, however I feel MS has failed not only the
Empower users, but the whole .Net development industry by creating a new
"class" of developers that at one point was going to cost like $12,000, not
sure where it is today, as this is something that was never written on stone.
"Andy Boyd (MS)" wrote:
> I believe your subscription level for Empower is migrated to the MSDN
> Premium level, which contains everything that Universal used to contain.
> There are, however, now higher subscription levels that Premium that include
> architect, developer, and test tools that totally new and not included in
> this level (which is probably why they don't call it "Universal" anymore).
> I don't believe they state anywhere that your Empower agreement includes
> every product available from Microsoft, you may want to check this as you
> prepare your class action.
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> Andy Boyd
> Program Manager
> MSDN Subscriber Downloads
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> "devils" <devils@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:99B311B8-9027-41CB-B591-0549C314D366@microsoft.com...
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| Andy Boyd \(MS\) 2005-10-28, 6:56 pm |
| I am asking the relevant teams that make this decision about this - can't
promise anything but I'm happy to ask.
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Andy Boyd
Program Manager
MSDN Subscriber Downloads
"devils" <devils@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:135C73A7-F9E8-4695-9296-5EC84CD84809@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> The Empower site states:
> One (1) MSDN Universal Media kit (DVD)
>
> The MSDN Visual Studio site states:
> Upon release of these new subscriptions, MSDN Universal and MSDN
> Enterprise
> will no longer be offered for sale and qualifying MSDN Universal and MSDN
> Enterprise subscribers will be upgraded, at no additional cost, to one of
> the
> higher value MSDN Premium subscriptions for the Visual Studio Team System
> role-based products.
>
> Of course MS Legal would say that the above line states "qualifying MSDN
> Universal and MSDN Enterprise subscribers", but then I would say it does
> not
> specifically say in the Empower website that it isn't a qualified account,
> and since it doesn't who makes that determination?
>
> I'm sure in time something will be "found" on some MS site that states
> that
> my findings are not accurate, however I feel MS has failed not only the
> Empower users, but the whole .Net development industry by creating a new
> "class" of developers that at one point was going to cost like $12,000,
> not
> sure where it is today, as this is something that was never written on
> stone.
>
> "Andy Boyd (MS)" wrote:
>
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| Michael Tissington 2005-10-28, 6:56 pm |
| Well I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I'm an Empower user and it
seems to me that the Team suite of applications are aimed at supporting a
large development environment of more programmers than are typically found
on the Empower program.
--
Michael Tissington
http://www.oaklodge.com
http://www.tabtag.com
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| devils 2005-10-28, 6:56 pm |
| That is not necessarily true.
1. I remember when it was considered taboo to use VSS on a 1 man project.
Today, I wouldn't start any project without source control. Even small teams
should have equal access to programs that can make their lives simplier (if
it really doesn't). What I'm getting at is in the end it's MS that looks good
or bad here. If a .Net project is slow to come out, or buggy who really gets
the blame (I'm thinking about the slashdot.org crowd out there who will take
anything to give MS a bad name). If a project is on time, and it bug freeish,
then it's yet another reason everyone should be using the MS.Net platform.
2. What about the ISV that want to write addins for Team System, I guess
they are SOL.
"Michael Tissington" wrote:
> Well I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. I'm an Empower user and it
> seems to me that the Team suite of applications are aimed at supporting a
> large development environment of more programmers than are typically found
> on the Empower program.
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> --
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> Michael Tissington
> http://www.oaklodge.com
> http://www.tabtag.com
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