Visual Basic - OT - A Possible Explanation for the demise of VB6

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OT - A Possible Explanation for the demise of VB6

Stefan Berglund

2006-04-25, 6:57 pm

If you have about five minutes watch this at least until the "Just say
no to WinTel banner" but I think - oh hell - I'm not sure what to think
anymore.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...462148706105599

This is mind boggling. And just w

s ago Gates was laughing at this
very concept as if it would never be possible.

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mayayana

2006-04-25, 6:57 pm

Maybe you could explain it for those of us who
don't want to install that Flash Player crap?
(It may even be too big for me to download,
for all I know.)

Even further off-topic, I'd like to know why,
when a site has an embedded SWF, I can't just
download the file to play at my leisure on
IrfanView. When I manage to find the link to it
I usually get either a "Forbidden" response or
an empty download.

>
> If you have about five minutes watch this at least until the "Just say
> no to WinTel banner" but I think - oh hell - I'm not sure what to think
> anymore.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...462148706105599
>
>
> This is mind boggling. And just w

s ago Gates was laughing at this
> very concept as if it would never be possible.
>
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> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and no guarantees
either express or implied.
>
> Stefan Berglund

Stefan Berglund

2006-04-25, 6:57 pm

On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:32:10 GMT, "mayayana"
<mayayanaXX1a@mindXXspring.com> wrote:
in <KfT2g.11807$i41.5696@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>

> Maybe you could explain it for those of us who
>don't want to install that Flash Player crap?
>(It may even be too big for me to download,
>for all I know.)
>
> Even further off-topic, I'd like to know why,
>when a site has an embedded SWF, I can't just
>download the file to play at my leisure on
>IrfanView. When I manage to find the link to it
>I usually get either a "Forbidden" response or
>an empty download.

Ahh! My Apologies. It just played for me and I didn't even consider
those ramifications. Thanks for noticing. Basically it's a 6 inch by 8
inch box about the size of say a video rental box. It's called the
Municator. It's an entire computer running Linux including educational
software and has jacks for every device imaginable including DVD, PS2,
USB, serial, RJ45 and a few I'm sure I'm forgetting. It can be hooked
up to your TV if you don't own a monitor. Oh and did I mention that it
sells for $146 US and is made in China.

Their marketing banner at the convention/trade show pictured says "Just
Say No to WinTel".

Their claim is to ~bridge the digital divide~ but I see this as a direct
assault on WinTel and unfortunately a lot of North American industry but
it sure is a kick in the a$$. Whew!

Warning: English is definitely not the narrator's first language, but I
was able to get the message after playing it a few times.

Mind Blower.

YMMV
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Stefan Berglund

mayayana

2006-04-25, 6:57 pm

> Ahh! My Apologies. It just played for me and I didn't even consider
> those ramifications. Thanks for noticing. Basically it's a 6 inch by 8
> inch box about the size of say a video rental box. It's called the
> Municator. It's an entire computer running Linux including educational
> software and has jacks for every device imaginable including DVD, PS2,
> USB, serial, RJ45 and a few I'm sure I'm forgetting. It can be hooked
> up to your TV if you don't own a monitor. Oh and did I mention that it
> sells for $146 US and is made in China.
>
> Their marketing banner at the convention/trade show pictured says "Just
> Say No to WinTel".
>
Interesting. Thanks for the explanation.
I was able to find several stories by googling
"Municator". It looks like it's fairly limited
for input and software flexibility, though. And
one can buy a Compaq with a Sempron 3000+-
right now on sale for about $329. (I don't know
how they do it. I can't buy all the parts for that
price.)

Google seems to be requiring some sort of
"Google video player". Maybe you already have it
installed. Yet from the source code it appears
to be a SWF file. .... Google is getting to be
as bad as Microsoft with their insistence on doing
things their way and intruding onto their visitors'
computers.

Matt Williamson

2006-04-25, 6:57 pm

>> (I don't know how they do it. I can't buy all the parts for that price.)

Probably because you're not buying in lots of 100,000+ Motherboards and
processors. You tend you get a pretty nice discount when you buy in bulk ;)

"mayayana" <mayayanaXX1a@mindXXspring.com> wrote in message
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> Interesting. Thanks for the explanation.
> I was able to find several stories by googling
> "Municator". It looks like it's fairly limited
> for input and software flexibility, though. And
> one can buy a Compaq with a Sempron 3000+-
> right now on sale for about $329. (I don't know
> how they do it. I can't buy all the parts for that
> price.)
>
> Google seems to be requiring some sort of
> "Google video player". Maybe you already have it
> installed. Yet from the source code it appears
> to be a SWF file. .... Google is getting to be
> as bad as Microsoft with their insistence on doing
> things their way and intruding onto their visitors'
> computers.
>
>

Mike Williams

2006-04-25, 6:57 pm

"Stefan Berglund" <sorry.no.koolaid@for.me> wrote in message
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> It's called the Municator. It's an entire computer running Linux
> including educational software and has jacks for every device
> imaginable including DVD, PS2, USB, serial, RJ45 and a few
> I'm sure I'm forgetting. It can be hooked up to your TV if you
> don't own a monitor. Oh and did I mention that it sells for
> $146 US and is made in China.

Almost everything's made in China these days, because of the cheap labour.
In fact the only people who can't afford to buy stuff made in China are the
Chinese !

Mike

Stefan Berglund

2006-04-25, 6:57 pm

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 18:31:36 +0100, "Mike Williams"
<Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote:
in <uXmHyT8ZGHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>

>"Stefan Berglund" <sorry.no.koolaid@for.me> wrote in message
> news:2g2o42tha6ue3muoqk8n9iojieo7ldnmkv@
4ax.com...
>
>
>Almost everything's made in China these days, because of the cheap labour.
>In fact the only people who can't afford to buy stuff made in China are the
>Chinese !
>
>Mike

That thought has crossed my mind as I've watched this video several
times. They say they want to bridge the digital divide, but it seems
more like a direct assault on WinTel, since as you've pointed out most
Chinese won't be able to afford this. So which digital divide in
particular are they really addressing?

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Stefan Berglund

Peter T

2006-04-27, 3:56 am

> >Almost everything's made in China these days, because of the cheap
labour.
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>
> That thought has crossed my mind as I've watched this video several
> times. They say they want to bridge the digital divide, but it seems
> more like a direct assault on WinTel, since as you've pointed out most
> Chinese won't be able to afford this. So which digital divide in
> particular are they really addressing?
>
> Stefan Berglund

Most ?
In a '> 50%' sense no doubt correct. But in the sense I assume implied a
misjudgement.

Regards,
Peter T

Mike Williams

2006-04-27, 7:56 am

"Peter T" <peter_t@discussions> wrote in message
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> [in response to my own remark "most Chinese cannot afford . . .]
> Most ? In a '> 50%' sense no doubt correct. But in the
> sense I assume implied a misjudgement.

I'm not sure what you mean. I used the word "most" to mean "at least half,
and probably significantly more than that". What did you think I meant by it
that caused you to accuse me of a misjudgement?

Mike

Saga

2006-04-27, 6:56 pm

When "most" is used, percentages of 85-95% come to mind,
so some might interpret this word to mean these percentages
instead of the ones that you quote ("at least half...") in your
most recent post.

Regards,
Saga

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> "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions> wrote in message
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>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. I used the word "most" to mean "at least
> half, and probably significantly more than that". What did you think I
> meant by it that caused you to accuse me of a misjudgement?
>
> Mike
>
>

Peter T

2006-04-27, 6:56 pm

"Mike Williams" <Mike@WhiskyAndCoke.com> wrote in message
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> "Peter T" <peter_t@discussions> wrote in message
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>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean. I used the word "most" to mean "at least half,
> and probably significantly more than that". What did you think I meant by
it
> that caused you to accuse me of a misjudgement?
>
> Mike

OK, I should not have been in any doubt that in a forum such as this the
term "most" should be taken as it's strict literal meaning. Rightly or
wrongly I understood the overall context of the previous comments to imply,
in general terms, that people in China could not afford to buy such a
consumer item. Also by implication that "Municator's" potential market was
primarily overseas.

If(?) that was the correct interpretation of the combined comments I would
suggest

- In parts of China density of PC/internet usage is on a par with any other
western country.

- In purely volume terms the domestic market for Municator's product is
probably on a par with say the US.

- At current trends, in the foreseeable future China as a single consumer
market will close to that of the US and Europe combined.

This is obviously the wrong place to extend such a debate and I hadn't
intended to do so. I followed up because too many underestimate the rapid
on-going changes in China and some other countries. To do so is, I believe,
a misjudgement and one with consequences.

I should add I do not have any facts or figures to hand to back up my own
comments. Merely experience and observations gained having "exported" to
China and at least 50 other countries over some period of time (nothing to
do with computing).

My apologies to you and/or Stefan if I misinterpreted your 'most' !

Regards,
Peter T

pmbthornton gmail com

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