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| skuhagen@web.de 2007-07-12, 4:21 am |
| Hello
I just read the "Tcl vs. TCL"-Wiki-Page (http://wiki.tcl.tk/11902)
about how to spell and pronounce Tcl ("tickle" vs. T-C-L). Really
funny... - Anyway, someone mentioned there, that the Logo of Tcl (the
feather) comes from the original pronounciation "tickle" for Tcl,
because a feather tickles. Does anyone here know, if this is true and
if there exists a document from Ousterhouts release of the language
about this or something?
TIA
Stephan
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| Jeff Hobbs 2007-07-12, 7:11 pm |
| skuhagen@web.de wrote:
> I just read the "Tcl vs. TCL"-Wiki-Page (http://wiki.tcl.tk/11902)
> about how to spell and pronounce Tcl ("tickle" vs. T-C-L). Really
> funny... - Anyway, someone mentioned there, that the Logo of Tcl (the
> feather) comes from the original pronounciation "tickle" for Tcl,
> because a feather tickles. Does anyone here know, if this is true and
> if there exists a document from Ousterhouts release of the language
> about this or something?
The first published paper from Ousterhout on Tcl (~1990) noted that it
was intended to be pronounced "tickle", not T-c-l. I can also confirm
that John always used the term "tickle".
Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
of TDK (but heh, it's a  frog regardless!).
Jeff
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| HT-Lab 2007-07-12, 7:11 pm |
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"Jeff Hobbs" <jeffh@activestate.com> wrote in message
news:46966513.3090004@activestate.com...
> skuhagen@web.de wrote:
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> The first published paper from Ousterhout on Tcl (~1990) noted that it was
> intended to be pronounced "tickle", not T-c-l. I can also confirm that
> John always used the term "tickle".
>
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license of
> TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
Because licking a frog puts you in a hyper ActiveState :-)
Because the CEO of ActiveState was once a beautiful princess.?
Hans
www.ht-lab.com
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> Jeff
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| Kevin Walzer 2007-07-12, 7:11 pm |
| Jeff Hobbs wrote:
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
>
Well, when I'm tickled, I jump...so the frog signifies that Tcl is a
hoppin' language!
--
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com
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| jhwrightiii@gmail.com 2007-07-12, 7:11 pm |
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> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
>
> Jeff
Maybe it has something todo with {*}, a wart as declared here
http://groups.google.com/group/comp...4010849eb364702
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| Jeannot 2007-07-13, 7:11 pm |
| On 13 juil, 01:09, jhwright...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Maybe it has something todo with {*}, a wart as declared herehttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.tcl/msg/04010849eb364702
A free license... well...this discussion is going to be very
popular ;-)
Let's have a try...
They took this frog because Kermit was already busy...a less frog
but more popular... ;-)
Jeannot
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| Jeff Houck 2007-07-13, 7:11 pm |
| Jeff Hobbs wrote:
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
>
> Jeff
Because Komodo dragons were already used...
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| Plebeian 2007-07-14, 7:10 pm |
| Because you (Jeff Hobbs) likes to lick frogs?
Or did that come after the logo decision? :)
- Casey
On Jul 12, 10:29 am, Jeff Hobbs <je...@activestate.com> wrote:
> skuha...@web.de wrote:
>
> The first published paper from Ousterhout on Tcl (~1990) noted that it
> was intended to be pronounced "tickle", not T-c-l. I can also confirm
> that John always used the term "tickle".
>
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
>
> Jeff
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| Jeff Hobbs <jeffh@activestate.com> wrote:
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
Two thoughts:
(1) Because TDK "can't be licked"?
(2) TDK being the final product of a metamorphasis?
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| neuronstorm@gmail.com 2007-07-18, 7:16 pm |
| On Jul 12, 5:29 pm, Jeff Hobbs <je...@activestate.com> wrote:
> skuha...@web.de wrote:
>
> The first published paper from Ousterhout on Tcl (~1990) noted that it
> was intended to be pronounced "tickle", not T-c-l. I can also confirm
> that John always used the term "tickle".
>
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
>
> Jeff
Because a frog is a form of fast 'debugger'.. which is one of the
things the TDK contains? :)
Julian
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| chess hazlett 2007-07-18, 7:16 pm |
| On Jul 12, 1:29 pm, Jeff Hobbs <je...@activestate.com> wrote:
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
Frog's an amphibian, lives on land and in water... so Tcl is good for
all environments. :)
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| neuronstorm@gmail.com 2007-07-18, 7:16 pm |
| On Jul 12, 5:29 pm, Jeff Hobbs <je...@activestate.com> wrote:
> skuha...@web.de wrote:
>
> The first published paper from Ousterhout on Tcl (~1990) noted that it
> was intended to be pronounced "tickle", not T-c-l. I can also confirm
> that John always used the term "tickle".
>
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
>
> Jeff
Because frogs are a form of very fast 'debugger' ... which is also one
of the items in the TDK?
Julian Noble
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| Gilles 2007-07-18, 7:16 pm |
| Hello,
In article <46966513.3090004@activestate.com>,
Jeff Hobbs <jeffh@activestate.com> wrote:
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
Because of the tale `Three Feathers' by the Grimm brothers? In this
tale, a feather `guides' one of the three King's sons to a (fat) frog?
Gilles.
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| Jeff Hobbs 2007-07-18, 7:16 pm |
| Jeff Hobbs <jeffh@activestate.com> wrote:
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
I do enjoy the various inspired ideas, but the real reason is because we
had to go with some amphibian / reptile to match the gecko for
ActivePerl (now why that is a gecko is yet another story ...), the
python for (drum roll ...) ActivePython and the Komodo for ActiveState's
Komodo IDE. The feather was simply too dissimilar. Thus Lick, the
Frog, was born.
Jeff
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| Jeff Hobbs wrote:
> I do enjoy the various inspired ideas, but the real reason is because we
> had to go with some amphibian / reptile to match the gecko for
> ActivePerl (now why that is a gecko is yet another story ...), the
> python for (drum roll ...) ActivePython and the Komodo for ActiveState's
> Komodo IDE. The feather was simply too dissimilar. Thus Lick, the
> Frog, was born.
You missed the axolotl - at least as weird as we are!
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| skuhagen@web.de 2007-07-19, 8:10 am |
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Jeff Hobbs wrote:
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
Because TDK is what frogs do: a big leap ahead.
Regards
Stephan
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| neuronstorm@gmail.com 2007-07-19, 8:10 am |
| On Jul 12, 5:29 pm, Jeff Hobbs <je...@activestate.com> wrote:
> skuha...@web.de wrote:
>
> The first published paper from Ousterhout on Tcl (~1990) noted that it
> was intended to be pronounced "tickle", not T-c-l. I can also confirm
> that John always used the term "tickle".
>
> Thus, that was the inspiration for making a feather the Tcl logo. The
> first person to explain why ActiveState uses a frog gets a free license
> of TDK (but heh, it's a frog regardless!).
>
> Jeff
Because a frog is a form of fast 'debugger' - and there is also such a
thing included in the TDK?
Julian
(sorry if duplicate post - tried to send yesterday using
groups.google.com but it didn't appear)
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| Cameron Laird 2007-07-19, 7:13 pm |
| In article <f7mbdo$65u$1@aioe.org>, mig <msofer@users.sf.net> wrote:
>Jeff Hobbs wrote:
>
>You missed the axolotl - at least as weird as we are!
Also their original habitat has been largely drained/paved/...,
and the wild population is critically endangered. Also axolotls
are handy throughout science. Also ... well, this game could
clearly go on for a while. How about the lampalagua?
ActiveState denizens recreating these discussions might want to
know that "[m]any biologists use the term ... 'herptiles' for all
reptiles and amphibians."
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| Andreas Leitgeb 2007-07-20, 8:10 am |
| skuhagen@web.de <skuhagen@web.de> wrote:
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> Jeff Hobbs wrote:
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> Because TDK is what frogs do: a big leap ahead.
Wouldn't it have to be a flea, then ?
PS: I don't actually use TDK, but anyway :-)
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| skuhagen@web.de 2007-07-20, 8:10 am |
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Andreas Leitgeb wrote:
> skuhagen@web.de <skuhagen@web.de> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't it have to be a flea, then ?
>
> PS: I don't actually use TDK, but anyway :-)
Me neither, but a flea is a good choice in the context of Tcl's
pronounciation: Fleas tickle... ;-) OTOH, they suck (blood), which is
something, Tcl does not.
Stephan
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