Tcl - TkProE--is it useful?

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TkProE--is it useful?

Kevin Walzer

2004-12-20, 8:58 pm

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Does anyone use TkProE in developing Tk GUI's? I saw the announcement
about it last summer, but have seen almost no discussion of it, pro or con.

I did get it running on OS X, but for some reason the GUI did not
translate well: menu buttons were clipped and ran into other frames,
etc. The GUI problems were distracting enough that I couldn't grok how
to use it. I don't hold that against the program's developer, who was
targeting Linux and Windows.

Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing about others' experiences with this app.
Other Tk GUI builders, including SpecTcl and Visual Tcl, are in my
experience unusable.

Cheers,

Kevin Walzer, PhD
WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X
http://www.wordtech-software.com
http://www.smallbizmac.com
http://www.kevin-walzer.com
mailto:sw@wordtech-software.com
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Kevin Walzer

2004-12-21, 4:00 pm

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Kevin Walzer wrote:
| Does anyone use TkProE in developing Tk GUI's? I saw the announcement
| about it last summer, but have seen almost no discussion of it, pro or
con.
|
| I did get it running on OS X, but for some reason the GUI did not
| translate well: menu buttons were clipped and ran into other frames,
| etc. The GUI problems were distracting enough that I couldn't grok how
| to use it. I don't hold that against the program's developer, who was
| targeting Linux and Windows.
|
| Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing about others' experiences with this app.
| Other Tk GUI builders, including SpecTcl and Visual Tcl, are in my
| experience unusable.
|
|
| Cheers,
|
| Kevin Walzer, PhD
| WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X
| http://www.wordtech-software.com
| http://www.smallbizmac.com
| http://www.kevin-walzer.com
| mailto:sw@wordtech-software.com

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Hmmmm. I think the lack of response here tells me what I need to know.

Cheers,

Kevin Walzer, PhD
WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X
http://www.wordtech-software.com
http://www.smallbizmac.com
http://www.kevin-walzer.com
mailto:sw@wordtech-software.com
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Dennis LaBelle

2004-12-22, 3:58 am

Kevin Walzer wrote:

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> Kevin Walzer wrote:
> | Does anyone use TkProE in developing Tk GUI's? I saw the announcement
> | about it last summer, but have seen almost no discussion of it, pro or
> con.
> |
> | I did get it running on OS X, but for some reason the GUI did not
> | translate well: menu buttons were clipped and ran into other frames,
> | etc. The GUI problems were distracting enough that I couldn't grok how
> | to use it. I don't hold that against the program's developer, who was
> | targeting Linux and Windows.
> |
> | Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing about others' experiences with this app.
> | Other Tk GUI builders, including SpecTcl and Visual Tcl, are in my
> | experience unusable.
> |
> |
> | Cheers,
> |
> | Kevin Walzer, PhD
> | WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X
> | http://www.wordtech-software.com
> | http://www.smallbizmac.com
> | http://www.kevin-walzer.com
> | mailto:sw@wordtech-software.com
>
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>
> Hmmmm. I think the lack of response here tells me what I need to know.
>

Hi, I'm the author of TkProE. I too am very mistified about the lack of
reaction to TkProE (either good or bad). Aren't there any people using TCL
GUI builders? Or is everyone just developing with an editor an the WISH
console???

Dennis LaBelle

Kevin Walzer

2004-12-22, 3:58 am

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Dennis LaBelle wrote:
| Kevin Walzer wrote:
|
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|>Kevin Walzer wrote:
|>| Does anyone use TkProE in developing Tk GUI's? I saw the announcement
|>| about it last summer, but have seen almost no discussion of it, pro or
|>con.
|>|
|>| I did get it running on OS X, but for some reason the GUI did not
|>| translate well: menu buttons were clipped and ran into other frames,
|>| etc. The GUI problems were distracting enough that I couldn't grok how
|>| to use it. I don't hold that against the program's developer, who was
|>| targeting Linux and Windows.
|>|
|>| Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing about others' experiences with this app.
|>| Other Tk GUI builders, including SpecTcl and Visual Tcl, are in my
|>| experience unusable.
|>|
|>|
|>| Cheers,
|>|
|>| Kevin Walzer, PhD
|>| WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X
|>| http://www.wordtech-software.com
|>| http://www.smallbizmac.com
|>| http://www.kevin-walzer.com
|>| mailto:sw@wordtech-software.com
|>
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|>
|>Hmmmm. I think the lack of response here tells me what I need to know.
|>
|
|
| Hi, I'm the author of TkProE. I too am very mistified about the lack of
| reaction to TkProE (either good or bad). Aren't there any people using TCL
| GUI builders? Or is everyone just developing with an editor an the WISH
| console???
|
| Dennis LaBelle

I think that most people actually *do* use the editor and the console.
(Emacs + wish is my favorite.) Tk code is fairly easy to write compared
to other languages, in my experience.

I've used GUI builders, but they are true drag-and-drop: Qt Designer,
Apple's Interface Builder. There's nothing available with Tcl/Tk that
has this degree of ease of use.

I looked at TkProE on a Windows machine and it looked a lot
better/easier to use there than it does on the Mac, which is my main
platform. Menu buttons, in particular, don't translate well to TkAqua
(they are mapped as combo boxes); it's too distracting, unfortunately.
If I were a Windows developer, I'd definitely give TkProE more of a
look, because it seems like a more complete and promising GUI builder
than the other apps I've looked at. Alas, I don't have time to hack the
menu buttons into a menu bar.

I'm actually curious about something: would TkProE have any ability to
support the Tile widget extension? That's where I'm concentrating most
of my development work these days (using Tile rather than core Tk).

Hope this feedback is useful. Have you gotten any other feedback,
perhaps off-list?

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Cheers,

Kevin Walzer, PhD
WordTech Software--Open Source Applications and Packages for OS X
http://www.wordtech-software.com
http://www.smallbizmac.com
http://www.kevin-walzer.com
mailto:sw@wordtech-software.com
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