Smalltalk - Re: Deploying Runtime Images

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Re: Deploying Runtime Images

tim@rowledge.org

2006-02-16, 7:03 pm

Several people have done this in the past.
Alejandro Reimond in Argentina has done some really neat stuff in the
recent past, using the Squeak environment classes to buid a partial
image within a development image and then tracing that out to a file or
files.
Craig Latta has the most recent project and is doing something broadly
similar as part of his Spoon project. Personally I find this to be one
of the most innovative and exciting developments of Smalltalk in at
least a decade.
If you are in need of such a facility for business purposes you should
should strongly consider paying Craig some money to help him get it
done.

Thomas Brodt

2006-02-17, 3:59 am

Many smalltalkers have put effort into building such tools.

Reinout Heeck has created a sourceforge project (still idle at the
moment) named BodyBuilder (see
https://sourceforge.net/projects/bodybuilder)which also aims at building
smalltalk images and packaging applications.

Maybe all (who are willing to contribute) should join their forces?

Thomas

tim@rowledge.org schrieb:
> Several people have done this in the past.
> Alejandro Reimond in Argentina has done some really neat stuff in the
> recent past, using the Squeak environment classes to buid a partial
> image within a development image and then tracing that out to a file or
> files.
> Craig Latta has the most recent project and is doing something broadly
> similar as part of his Spoon project. Personally I find this to be one
> of the most innovative and exciting developments of Smalltalk in at
> least a decade.
> If you are in need of such a facility for business purposes you should
> should strongly consider paying Craig some money to help him get it
> done.
>

Andre Schnoor

2006-02-18, 6:58 pm

Hi Thomas,

> Many smalltalkers have put effort into building such tools.

obviously, it's not easy to implement. I mean, ST is available since 30+
years already. I doubt this can be done on the image level alone and
requires a lot of intimate knowledge about OE/VM internals to work.

> Reinout Heeck has created a sourceforge project (still idle at the
> moment) named BodyBuilder (see
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/bodybuilder)which also aims at building
> smalltalk images and packaging applications.
>
> Maybe all (who are willing to contribute) should join their forces?

That's great. I'm definately willing, but don't have any spare time
left, because I've got to get my own product to the market, which is
already 300% of what a single developer actually can handle ;-)

Anyway, perhaps I could contribute something to the specs and
requirements analysis in general.

Andre

Thomas Brodt

2006-02-21, 7:57 am

Reinout has already gathered informations some time ago from developers
with "home grown solutions". I don't know how far he has got, I'm
patiently waiting for some announcements (lower case announcements :)).
I would also like to contribute what I could possibly do, but my work
load situation is similar to yours, although I am not on my own. But I
would prefer some generally adopted tool that is driven forward by
several developers and probably many more needs than to extend our "home
grown tool" by myself.

Maybe Reinout is reading this?

Thomas

Andre Schnoor schrieb:
> Hi Thomas,
>
>
> obviously, it's not easy to implement. I mean, ST is available since 30+
> years already. I doubt this can be done on the image level alone and
> requires a lot of intimate knowledge about OE/VM internals to work.
>
>
> That's great. I'm definately willing, but don't have any spare time
> left, because I've got to get my own product to the market, which is
> already 300% of what a single developer actually can handle ;-)
>
> Anyway, perhaps I could contribute something to the specs and
> requirements analysis in general.
>
> Andre

Reinout Heeck

2006-02-21, 7:57 am

Thomas Brodt wrote:
> Reinout has already gathered informations some time ago from developers
> with "home grown solutions". I don't know how far he has got, I'm
> patiently waiting for some announcements (lower case announcements :)).
> I would also like to contribute what I could possibly do, but my work
> load situation is similar to yours, although I am not on my own. But I
> would prefer some generally adopted tool that is driven forward by
> several developers and probably many more needs than to extend our "home
> grown tool" by myself.
>
> Maybe Reinout is reading this?

Yes I am,

My intention was to kick-off the project last month but lack of time has
prevented that. Seeing that last w

end was a w

end I actually had
time off I can say things are shaping up though.

I intend to visit the Smalltalk party in Brussels (March 11), so people
that want to discuss the project face to face can meet me there. I won't
make a promise as to whether development kick-off will happen before or
after this party :-)
http://prog.vub.ac.be:8080/SmalltalkParty/

In the mean time feel free to join the Bodybuilder mailing list.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/bodybuilder

R
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