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[OT] Re: binary of gcc and gfortran shapshot 20080125 for windows
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| > Thank you for the opinion. You think "the kind of announcement should
> be posted only when notable changes in the said compilers happen." Not
> everyone agrees with your opinion.
Of course. I'll let others react if they want to.
Slightly off topic, I have two related remarks on the following:
> GNU releases snapshot w ly. No interest to argue whether once a w
> is too frequent.
GNU snapshots are automatically built every w, without manual
intervention. It has nothing to do with a release. They're just a
commodity for people who want to build the latest software without using
version control software. If you follow this reasoning, GCC has commits
about 20 times a day, all of which are available and posted online.
> The announcement (two lines) does not bother you if you have no
> interest in it.
That's what say all of the spammers I have ever talked to. That
fundamental assumption is unfortunately wrong.
[1] The softer ones, not the pharmaceuticals experts :)
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FX
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----- Original Message -----
From: "FX" <coudert@alussinan.org>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.fortran
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:59 AM
Subject: [OT] Re: binary of gcc and gfortran shapshot 20080125 for windows
> GNU snapshots are automatically built every w, without manual
> intervention. It has nothing to do with a release. They're just a
> commodity for people who want to build the latest software without using
> version control software. If you follow this reasoning, GCC has commits
> about 20 times a day, all of which are available and posted online.
>
FX, take a look by yourself (Copy from gcc.gnu.org ). A snapshot was
released wly for public.
11/23/2007 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20071123
11/30/2007 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20071130
12/07/2007 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20071207
12/14/2007 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20071214
12/21/2007 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20071221
12/28/2007 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20071228
01/04/2008 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20080104
01/11/2008 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20080111
01/18/2008 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20080118
01/25/2008 11:07PM Directory 4.3-20080125
> That's what say all of the spammers I have ever talked to. That
> fundamental assumption is unfortunately wrong.
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> [1] The softer ones, not the pharmaceuticals experts :)
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Please take a time to make sure what the definition of "spam" is. This is a
newsgroup, not your email account or your property. No one needs your
permission to post. You come to read or post your opinion. That is totally
your personal choice. Any post you do not like is not spam. The post is not
for you only. You don't like it; other people may like it. Your early post
suggested people to ignore it. I checked the ftp log, there are still lots
of download. You can see that not everyone agrees with your opinion. The
post is nothing but provides info to whom they need it.
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in reading this thread, i'm not exactly sure what fx was objecting to -
whether it was the (short) wly announcement that new binaries are
available, or the suggestion for a wly explanation of what has
changed since the last snapshot.
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| > in reading this thread, i'm not exactly sure what fx was objecting to -
> whether it was the (short) wly announcement
That was the thing that I thought was not desirable. Now, if I'm alone
feeling that way (and it looks that way), I'm perfectly fine with it. I
don't think it's reasonable path to choose, but if that's the one
favoured by the community, I'll go along it.
After all, if Andy were to send announcements every time he builds g95
binaries, and I did the same for my own Windows builds of gfortran
(irregularly, but should be approximately once a month), MacOS (about the
same), Linux (daily), it'd be pretty chaotic around here by now :)
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FX
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| >> GNU snapshots are automatically built every w, without manual
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> FX, take a look by yourself (Copy from gcc.gnu.org ). A snapshot was
> released wly for public.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear. Here is another try to express the same idea:
yes, there are wly snapshots automatically posted on the gcc.gnu.org
FTP site, but there have no particular property apart from being posted
every 7 days at 11:07 PM. I don't want anyone to think that there are
supposed to represent a man-made "release" of GCC ("release" having here
the meaning of a dated version of a software product, thought by its
authors to be usable for the community at large).
Written communication is so hard sometimes.
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> Please take a time to make sure what the definition of "spam" is. This
> is a newsgroup, not your email account or your property. No one needs
> your permission to post. You come to read or post your opinion.
I'm not calling anything spam. I'm saying that the postulate, too common
on the internet, that "there is no such thing as too much information" is
not true. One example of that particular postulate being used in a way
that plagues all of us is the phenomenon of unsollicited email.
> The post is not for you only.
I agree. If other people think it's to have such a regular announcement,
I'm fine with it. I just thought it would not be (not in its current
form, at least). After your initial post, people are aware of the fact
that wly updated binaries of gcc and gfortran for Win32 and Win64 are
available, I didn't think they would need a reminder every Thursday
(especially when the reminder doesn't track changes, as was already
noted by someone else).
PS: That's my last post on that topic.
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FX
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| > I checked the ftp log, there are still lots of download.
On an unrelated note, I'd be very happy if you could keep track of these
downloads (something like, as unique IP addresses per month), and give
that feedback to the gfortran mailing-list (fortran@gcc.gnu.org) every so
often (like, every few months). The reason for that is that we do track
downloads of the binaries we (gfortran maintainers) build, to help us
determine which builds are useful or not, which architectures gfortran is
used on and so on, sometimes influencing the priority of our future work.
Now that the Windows downloads will be split, I'd be glad if you could
share your statistics!
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FX
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| Paul van Delst 2008-01-28, 7:25 pm |
| FX wrote:
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> That was the thing that I thought was not desirable. Now, if I'm alone
> feeling that way (and it looks that way), I'm perfectly fine with it. I
> don't think it's reasonable path to choose, but if that's the one
> favoured by the community, I'll go along it.
I confess to not seeing the point of a wly announcement for the sake of a wly
announcement. After the first couple ws you know it will be announced, so why continue?
It's a good way to get in a killfile (or a server blacklist).
Two situations come to mind:
1) If each w there are significant changes (for site-specific definitions of
"significant"), I'd eventually stop paying attention until a message came out that said
the release is stable.
2) If each w there are minimal, or no, changes, I'd stop paying attention because,
well, what's the point?
I automatically update my installs every few months to take into account situation (2).
For situation (1), I rely on broadcast messages by the maintainers telling me about the
latest stable release.
Anyway, just my 2cents. Electrons are infinitely recyclable. :o)
cheers,
paulv
> After all, if Andy were to send announcements every time he builds g95
> binaries, and I did the same for my own Windows builds of gfortran
> (irregularly, but should be approximately once a month), MacOS (about the
> same), Linux (daily), it'd be pretty chaotic around here by now :)
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