Fortran - Upgrades from CVF std to CVF/IVF Pro

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Upgrades from CVF std to CVF/IVF Pro

Aymeric Peyret

2005-05-24, 3:57 am

Hi all,

I have to work as a research assistant with Compaq Visual Fortran Pro. I
bought a few months ago the academic standard version, but I had to
spare a few months more to buy the pro version. When I ordered it, the
shop told me it was discontinued and I had to buy IVF (I hope it gives
me a license for the older CVF pro now). But it seems there is no more
upgrade from CVF std to IVF pro, and I would have to buy the complete
IVF pro academic product, which I cannot afford (I did not buy CVF std
for nothing...).

Does someone know if this upgrade is still available somewhere ?

Thanks in advance

APP

John Lansberry

2005-05-24, 3:59 pm

Do you really need IVF pro? As far as I know, the only thing it gives you
is IMSL. IMSL is nice, but I've never found it necessary, even when I had
CVF pro.

I would say you're better off getting an academic version of IVF std. You
might want to get the academic version of MKL if you need optimized
LAPACK/BLAS (MKL has several other things I've never used).

Most of the other things IMSL provides can be found for free at places like
www.netlib.org.

I don't know if Intel still offers an upgrade price from CVF to IVF. Check
out the Intel website and send them an e-mail if you can't find such an
offer.

John

"Aymeric Peyret" <peyret.aymeric@nospam.ec-lille.fr> wrote in message
news:iFyke.122441$h6.62189@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> Hi all,
>
> I have to work as a research assistant with Compaq Visual Fortran Pro. I
> bought a few months ago the academic standard version, but I had to
> spare a few months more to buy the pro version. When I ordered it, the
> shop told me it was discontinued and I had to buy IVF (I hope it gives
> me a license for the older CVF pro now). But it seems there is no more
> upgrade from CVF std to IVF pro, and I would have to buy the complete
> IVF pro academic product, which I cannot afford (I did not buy CVF std
> for nothing...).
>
> Does someone know if this upgrade is still available somewhere ?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> APP

Aymeric Peyret

2005-05-25, 3:59 am

John Lansberry wrote:
> Do you really need IVF pro? As far as I know, the only thing it gives you
> is IMSL. IMSL is nice, but I've never found it necessary, even when I had
> CVF pro.
>
> I would say you're better off getting an academic version of IVF std. You
> might want to get the academic version of MKL if you need optimized
> LAPACK/BLAS (MKL has several other things I've never used).

I also think I just need what I already have, CVF standard. But the
problem is the following : the person who did the code I am working with
was using CVF Pro on the University PCs. Because I have a bad health, I
prefer working on my laptop, so that I can go home if I feel bad and
continue working at home. But my supervisor wants me to use the exact
same version as the one used by the original coder, and of course I may
not install the university software on my personal PC. In fact, I just
need a license for CVF pro (so now IVF Pro if it gives me the license to
CVF pro)...

>
> Most of the other things IMSL provides can be found for free at places like
> www.netlib.org.
>
> I don't know if Intel still offers an upgrade price from CVF to IVF. Check
> out the Intel website and send them an e-mail if you can't find such an
> offer.

I sent them an email, but I was asked to register for a trial version of
IVF and then use the "premier support" we get during the trial. That's
what I did, but I did not get any answer.

>
> John

Thanks for your answer. I hope things can get better. :)

Aymeric
>
>
> "Aymeric Peyret" <peyret.aymeric@nospam.ec-lille.fr> wrote in message
> news:iFyke.122441$h6.62189@tornado.texas.rr.com...
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>
>
>

2005-05-25, 3:59 am

Aymeric Peyret wrote:
>
> continue working at home. But my supervisor wants me to use the exact
> same version as the one used by the original coder, and of course I may
> not install the university software on my personal PC.

CVF Pro & Std are *identical* compilers (except for additives) - you
could order IMSL separately, but check first if it was actually used in
the code.

Duane Bozarth

2005-05-25, 3:58 pm

Aymeric Peyret wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have to work as a research assistant with Compaq Visual Fortran Pro. I
> bought a few months ago the academic standard version, but I had to
> spare a few months more to buy the pro version. When I ordered it, the
> shop told me it was discontinued and I had to buy IVF (I hope it gives
> me a license for the older CVF pro now). But it seems there is no more
> upgrade from CVF std to IVF pro, and I would have to buy the complete
> IVF pro academic product, which I cannot afford (I did not buy CVF std
> for nothing...).
>
> Does someone know if this upgrade is still available somewhere ?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> APP

Good advice from bv and APP regarding the usage of IMSL in the code
you're maintaining...unless the code actually does use the IMSL
libraries, there is no difference in the versions--the compilers are,
indeed the same.

However, if you go to IVF, that <is> a different compiler...mostly, if
not completely, compatible w/ CVF in terms of extensions, but it would
definitely not be the same compiler even if you use it to get the IMSL
libraries. If you do have to get another copy of the IMSL libraries, I
think you're stuck w/ going through Visual Numerics. I don't know if
they have any cheaper considerations w/ CVF any more or not.

You might investigate the University license more thoroughly--does it
actually prohibit the usage on a portable computer?

Steve Lionel

2005-05-25, 8:57 pm

On Wed, 25 May 2005 08:00:30 -0500, Duane Bozarth <dpbozarth@swko.dot.net>
wrote:

>Good advice from bv and APP regarding the usage of IMSL in the code
>you're maintaining...unless the code actually does use the IMSL
>libraries, there is no difference in the versions--the compilers are,
>indeed the same.

That is true for Intel Visual Fortran. For CVF, the Pro edition also included
the Array Visualizer and COM Server Wizard. In Intel Visual Fortran, an
enhanced Array Visualizer is included in the Standard Edition, and the COM
Server Wizard is not available at this time.

Steve Lionel
Software Products Division
Intel Corporation
Nashua, NH

User communities for Intel Software Development Products
http://softwareforums.intel.com/
Intel Fortran Support
http://developer.intel.com/software/products/support/

Boo, hoo!

2005-05-27, 4:01 am

"Steve Lionel" <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> wrote in message
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> For CVF, the Pro edition also included
> the Array Visualizer and COM Server Wizard. In Intel Visual Fortran, an
> enhanced Array Visualizer is included in the Standard Edition, and the
COM
> Server Wizard is not available at this time.
>
First, with or without IMSL, IVF has a long way to go to catch up with CVF.

Whether the Array Visualizer in IVF is enhanced wrt its CVF forerunner is a
matter of opinion. BTW, is the 'Array Visualizer' an Intel production or is
it an out-sourced ditty to IVF as I suspect it was with CVF? Never mind!

Wrt IMSL, ostensibly IMSL 5 that's part of IVF comes as a DLL. It really
isn't unless linked by the current IVF and this costs your annual
subscription for IVF 'Pro' a factor of 2.5 over IVF 'Std', the equivalent
of IVF 'Pro'. The industry-standard markup (with Matlab, Mathematica, etc.)
is typically less than a factor of 0.2. With CVF Pro, IMSL 4 is statically
linked. Admittedly, IVF 'Pro' IMSL comes with a more realistic distributing
license policy over that available with CVF Pro, but who can tell? As
others have mentioned, IMSL is available for free from its roots at
www.netlib.org .

--
You're Welcome,
Gerry T.
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