Cobol - Adam & Eve

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Adam & Eve

Dennis

2008-01-27, 9:56 pm

How do you reconcile Luke Chapter 3 which gives 76 generations from
Adam to Jesus making a maximum of 4000 years, with 'Mitochondrial Eve'
living in Africa 150,000 years ago ? Y-chromosome research also puts
Adam way back before any conceivable Bible date. Modern man reached
Australia 60,000 years ago, after leaving Africa. How do you propose
to square the circle, Alistair ?

HeyBub

2008-01-27, 9:57 pm

Dennis wrote:
> How do you reconcile Luke Chapter 3 which gives 76 generations from
> Adam to Jesus making a maximum of 4000 years, with 'Mitochondrial Eve'
> living in Africa 150,000 years ago ? Y-chromosome research also puts
> Adam way back before any conceivable Bible date. Modern man reached
> Australia 60,000 years ago, after leaving Africa. How do you propose
> to square the circle, Alistair ?

How do you square the receipe for pumpkin pie with the instructions for
taking cel-phone video pictures?

The answer to both questions is: you can't. You can't because the narratives
talk about two different things to two different audiences at two different
times.

Here's a more relevant example:

Why do introductory college Physics courses start with Newtonian mechanics
when everyone knows that Quantum Mechanics has more "truthiness" and string
theory may even be truthier?

What do you think would happen if a missionary to a Cargo Cult tribe began
his proselytizing with a lecture on mitochondrial DNA? He'd get eaten,
that's what!

One explains at the hearer's ability to comprehend.

2008-01-27, 9:57 pm

In article <72551ff7-21ea-48bc-9205-d9f4b6a6a7da@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Dennis <dgoffin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>How do you reconcile Luke Chapter 3 which gives 76 generations from
>Adam to Jesus making a maximum of 4000 years, with 'Mitochondrial Eve'
>living in Africa 150,000 years ago ?

The same way that one usually reconciles a religion with a science... or
maybe in a slightly different manner.

DD

Joel C. Ewing

2008-01-28, 3:55 am

docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> In article <72551ff7-21ea-48bc-9205-d9f4b6a6a7da@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
> Dennis <dgoffin@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> The same way that one usually reconciles a religion with a science... or
> maybe in a slightly different manner.
>
> DD

For those whose concept of ultimate truth is locked to a specific
literal interpretation of the Bible, obviously when God created the
universe several thousand years ago, he must have created it with all
the "false" evidence that misleads man into thinking the universe is
billions of years old.

Or did God really create the universe yesterday and just give us
fabricated memories, a fabricated environment, and a fabricated history
to falsely convince us of a prior existence?

Once one allows for the possibility that a capricious, creator God might
have fabricated false historical evidence to confuse us, there is no
logical reason to assume that anything we think we "know" about the past
is above suspicion. While being mindful that history consistently shows
that each generation's understanding of physical reality is imperfect,
either the world has always been governed by the same physical laws and
processes we can observe today and the Bible interpreted in the light of
that reality, or all bets are off.

To make this post at least marginally on topic, perhaps COBOL didn't
exist until yesterday when the universe was created, and Grace Hopper is
just one of many false memories to explain why God created all those
business COBOL programs as part of creation!

--
Joel C. Ewing, Fort Smith, AR jREMOVEcCAPSewing@acm.org

2008-01-28, 7:55 am

In article <13pqqiih2brk83c@corp.supernews.com>,
Joel C. Ewing <jcREMOVEewing@CAPS.acm.org> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
><72551ff7-21ea-48bc-9205-d9f4b6a6a7da@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
>
>For those whose concept of ultimate truth is locked to a specific
>literal interpretation of the Bible, obviously when God created the
>universe several thousand years ago, he must have created it with all
>the "false" evidence that misleads man into thinking the universe is
>billions of years old.

That might be for someone else to consider, Mr Ewing... but the posting
asked 'how do you' and I answered with how I did so.

DD

Alistair

2008-01-29, 6:56 pm

On 27 Jan, 18:53, Dennis <dgof...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> How do you reconcile Luke Chapter 3 which gives 76 generations from
> Adam to Jesus making a maximum of 4000 years, with 'Mitochondrial Eve'
> living in Africa 150,000 years ago ? Y-chromosome research also puts
> Adam way back before any conceivable Bible date. Modern man reached
> Australia 60,000 years ago, after leaving Africa. How do you propose
> to square the circle, Alistair ?

I think you have got something wrong. The bible is a collection of
fairy tales and I do not believe in it. I have argued the evolutionary
viewpoint and only occasionally given creationists excuses by
representing their side. I do not believe in creation. I have no
problem with Darwin.

Alistair

2008-01-29, 6:56 pm

On 27 Jan, 22:11, "HeyBub" <hey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you think would happen if a missionary to a Cargo Cult tribe began
> his proselytizing with a lecture on mitochondrial DNA? He'd get eaten,
> that's what!
>
> One explains at the hearer's ability to comprehend.

Which missionary would taste better: the DNA spouter or the bible
basher?

Howard Brazee

2008-01-30, 6:56 pm

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:11:54 -0600, "HeyBub" <heybub@gmail.com> wrote:

>What do you think would happen if a missionary to a Cargo Cult tribe began
>his proselytizing with a lecture on mitochondrial DNA? He'd get eaten,
>that's what!

Not if he gave them what they want (cargo).

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