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| Clark F Morris 2007-07-09, 9:55 pm |
| On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:12:27 GMT, "Michael Mattias"
<mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote:
>"Charles Hottel" <chottel@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>One place I worked at had a module to call to abend which simply did a
>divide by zero. (Damn, I wish I were bright enough to have thought of that!)
>
>Apparently setting return codes in COBOL and using them in JCL is just too
>difficult for some programmers... the programmers who also find it difficult
>to fart and chew gum at the same time.
When you want processing to quit, there is nothing like an ABEND.
Depending on people always checking return codes is asking for
trouble, especially given the awkwardness of doing so. While the IF
JCL statements are straight forward, they add to the clutter that is
IBM z series JCL. Also an ABEND gets your attention. I have done
tricky things with condition codes but JCL isn't really set up for it
being pleasant.
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>MCM
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| Michael Mattias 2007-07-10, 7:55 am |
| "Clark F Morris" <cfmpublic@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:12:27 GMT, "Michael Mattias"
>
> When you want processing to quit, there is nothing like an ABEND.
> Depending on people always checking return codes is asking for
> trouble... Also an ABEND gets your attention.
"Get someone's attention" is the exact reason I got each time I asked why.
I can understand executing a forced ABEND as a separate job step, I just
never understood it from WITHIN a program.
MCM
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| In article <%KJki.19742$2v1.15288@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>,
Michael Mattias <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote:
>"Clark F Morris" <cfmpublic@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:chl593t7f0mrm8dejo9k5nnnuaa710ofhh@
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>"Get someone's attention" is the exact reason I got each time I asked why.
>
>I can understand executing a forced ABEND as a separate job step, I just
>never understood it from WITHIN a program.
If an ABEND can be likened to a slap in the face ('HEY! Wake up and look
over *here!') then the techniques for slapping - right hand palm to left
ch , right hand palm to top of head, left hand backhand to left ch,
et and cetera - and which is superior may be left to The Professionals,
such as the Three Stooges.
That the slap draws attention indicates that it has accomplished that for
which the technique was employed.
DD
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| Michael Mattias 2007-07-10, 7:55 am |
| <docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:f6vr13$dpe$1@reader2.panix.com...
> If an ABEND can be likened to a slap in the face ('HEY! Wake up and look
> over *here!') then the techniques for slapping - right hand palm to left
> ch, right hand palm to top of head, left hand backhand to left ch,
> et and cetera - and which is superior may be left to The Professionals,
> such as the Three Stooges.
???
Never in the course of human endeavor have so many words said so little to
so few.
MCM
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| In article <IlKki.9545$Rw1.4814@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
Michael Mattias <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote:
><docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:f6vr13$dpe$1@reader2.panix.com...
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>???
>
>Never in the course of human endeavor have so many words said so little to
>so few.
I'm sorry, Mr Mattias, I get obscure at times... what is it that I wrote
which you find difficult?
DD
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| Pete Dashwood 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
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"Michael Mattias" <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote in message
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> <docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message
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> ???
>
> Never in the course of human endeavor have so many words said so little to
> so few.
>
> MCM
>
:-)
Beats me as well...
Doc:
Are you saying "ABEND does what it's supposed to." or "ABENDS are best left
to comedians..." Or something else entirely, given that meaning is the
result of interpretation and etc.?
Pete.
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| In article <5fhet3F3dqi50U1@mid.individual.net>,
Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote:
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>"Michael Mattias" <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote in message
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>:-)
>
>Beats me as well...
My apologies... beating wasn't intended, just... a slap.
>
>Doc:
>
>Are you saying "ABEND does what it's supposed to." or "ABENDS are best left
>to comedians..." Or something else entirely, given that meaning is the
>result of interpretation and etc.?
I tried to say:
A forced ABEND in a program may be considered to be a slap and the
function of this slap is to get somebody's attention.
There are many different ways to slap in order to get attention.
In that the same amount of attention is gotten then the result of each of
these ways is equivalent.
In that the result is equivalent then which technique is superior, and the
reasoning behind which is superior, is something for The Professionals to
decide.
So... if Mr Mattias cannot understand the reasoning behind the technique
of forcing an ABEND in a program rather than forcing an ABEND someplace
else then it might be due to a difference in Professional evaluation,
rather than a difference in the result since the results (as stated above)
are equivalent.
Professional slappers include, in their numbers, the Three Stooges... this
datum was supplied gratis.
DD
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| Michael Mattias 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
| <docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:f701ji$7ul$1@reader2.panix.com...
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> I tried to say:...
I was wrong. I should have waited for the next three posts.
MCM
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| Howard Brazee 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
| On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:47:49 -0300, Clark F Morris
<cfmpublic@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>When you want processing to quit, there is nothing like an ABEND.
>Depending on people always checking return codes is asking for
>trouble, especially given the awkwardness of doing so. While the IF
>JCL statements are straight forward, they add to the clutter that is
>IBM z series JCL. Also an ABEND gets your attention. I have done
>tricky things with condition codes but JCL isn't really set up for it
>being pleasant.
One thing that we do with EasyTrieve is to have the JCL check the
return codes and if appropriate, run a job that only ABENDS. This
could be a good thing to do with CoBOL in environments such as yours.
The di vantage is that there is no dump of the original program
(which might show an artificial divide by zero error) - and the
advantage is that the original program shows just what the programmer
wants it to show.
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| In article <G8Mki.21252$RX.18217@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
Michael Mattias <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote:
><docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:f701ji$7ul$1@reader2.panix.com...
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>I was wrong. I should have waited for the next three posts.
Mr Mattias, you've confessed to an inability here and an offer has been
made to assist you in remedying it; when you want to put forward effort
other than asserting that 'this doesn't make sense' you might find it
rewarded.
DD
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| Pete Dashwood 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
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<docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:f701ji$7ul$1@reader2.panix.com...
> In article <5fhet3F3dqi50U1@mid.individual.net>,
> Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>
> My apologies... beating wasn't intended, just... a slap.
>
>
> I tried to say:
>
> A forced ABEND in a program may be considered to be a slap and the
> function of this slap is to get somebody's attention.
>
> There are many different ways to slap in order to get attention.
>
> In that the same amount of attention is gotten then the result of each of
> these ways is equivalent.
>
> In that the result is equivalent then which technique is superior, and the
> reasoning behind which is superior, is something for The Professionals to
> decide.
>
> So... if Mr Mattias cannot understand the reasoning behind the technique
> of forcing an ABEND in a program rather than forcing an ABEND someplace
> else then it might be due to a difference in Professional evaluation,
> rather than a difference in the result since the results (as stated above)
> are equivalent.
>
> Professional slappers include, in their numbers, the Three Stooges... this
> datum was supplied gratis.
>
> DD
>
Ah... thanks :-)
I knew a slapper once who was forced to abort...
she looked a bit like Curly Joe....
Guess that's not the same thing at all. Sorry....
(looks at floor, shuffles feet...)
Who's on first?
(Nope...wrong comedians...)
There is a sound of wind and tumbleweeds...
Pete.
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| Pete Dashwood 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
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"Michael Mattias" <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote in message
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> <docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message
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> I was wrong. I should have waited for the next three posts.
>
> MCM
>
>
Good things come to those who wait. :-)
Or is that "good things are brought by those who wait..." ?
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| In article <5fhnk2F3c3dqoU1@mid.individual.net>,
Pete Dashwood <dashwood@removethis.enternet.co.nz> wrote:
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><docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:f701ji$7ul$1@reader2.panix.com...
[snip]
>Ah... thanks :-)
No problem, Mr Dashwood... I've acknowledged that I get obscure, at times.
DD
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| William M. Klein 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
| Lots of replies and no-one has stated the obvious (to me).
There is a WORLD of difference (in z/OS - or any MVS-ish environment) between an
ABEND and a RC (reason code) or CC (condition code).
ONLY the ABEND impacts the 3rd (if I remember correctly) parameter of the DISP
JCL statement. A non-zero RC or CC will leave "unwanted" (in many cases)
catalogued datasets. If you want to then add another step to check preceding CC
to determine if a dataset should then be deleted, you can - but that seems less
than obvious to me.
--
Bill Klein
wmklein <at> ix.netcom.com
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| Pete Dashwood wrote:
>
> Are you saying "ABEND does what it's supposed to." or "ABENDS are best left
> to comedians..." Or something else entirely, given that meaning is the
> result of interpretation and etc.?
The way I took it, he was basically saying "leave slapping to the
professionals, like the Three Stooges." I'm guessing he doesn't think
highly of the intentional attention-getting ABEND. :)
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| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
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> I tried to say:
>
> A forced ABEND in a program may be considered to be a slap and the
> function of this slap is to get somebody's attention.
>
> There are many different ways to slap in order to get attention.
OK - so I missed it. Oh well...
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| Pete Dashwood wrote:
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> There is a sound of wind and tumbleweeds...
....every night in Albuquerque, NM!
The part of the city we are in is just west of the canyon in the Sandia
mountains, which is where Interstate 40 comes through. Every night, as
the sun goes down, wind blows through that canyon like crazy. Every
morning, we awake to find our lawn chairs overturned - and, up until a
few days ago, trash from our neighbor's yard. :( While we were gone
two ws ago, a branch actually fell on our back-yard table and broke
it, along with the chain-link fence.
They didn't tell me anything about that... :)
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| In article < PIWdnWTNKN1nlgnbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@comcast
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LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>Pete Dashwood wrote:
>
>...every night in Albuquerque, NM!
>
>The part of the city we are in is just west of the canyon in the Sandia
>mountains, which is where Interstate 40 comes through.
The part of the city I spent time in was on Kirtland AFB proper... work
during the day, suck down cheap beer at night.
DD
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| In article < yLmdnXr1W_LUlwnbnZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@comcast
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LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>Pete Dashwood wrote:
>
>The way I took it, he was basically saying "leave slapping to the
>professionals, like the Three Stooges." I'm guessing he doesn't think
>highly of the intentional attention-getting ABEND. :)
The answer, as explained earlier, is E) Some of the Above. How a shop
wants to handle unexpected conditions is something that's usually been
established along before I got a contract there and I have never had, as a
part of my contract's scope, the responsibility or authority to change
such things.
There's more than one way to skin a cat... which way is best is left to
Professional Cat-Skinners to argue, me, I code applications.
DD
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| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> In article < PIWdnWTNKN1nlgnbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@comcast
.com>,
> LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> The part of the city I spent time in was on Kirtland AFB proper... work
> during the day, suck down cheap beer at night.
That would be us. :) We live in the Pershing housing area, which was
developed in the early 90's. It's across from Sandia Base Elementary
School, on the other side of Wyoming Boulevard. Did you notice an
inordinate amount of wind, especially during the summer evenings?
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| donald tees 2007-07-11, 7:55 am |
| LX-i wrote:
> docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
>
> That would be us. :) We live in the Pershing housing area, which was
> developed in the early 90's. It's across from Sandia Base Elementary
> School, on the other side of Wyoming Boulevard. Did you notice an
> inordinate amount of wind, especially during the summer evenings?
>
Enough cheap beer would definitely have that effect ...
Donald
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| In article < 9LSdnZ7m4YSPyAnbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@comcast
.com>,
LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
>
>That would be us. :) We live in the Pershing housing area, which was
>developed in the early 90's.
Long after my time there, aye.
>It's across from Sandia Base Elementary
>School, on the other side of Wyoming Boulevard. Did you notice an
>inordinate amount of wind, especially during the summer evenings?
Nope... then again, I don't recall being much of what many folks might
call 'conscious' during the evenings.
DD
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| Pete Dashwood 2007-07-11, 7:55 am |
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> LX-i wrote:
>
> Enough cheap beer would definitely have that effect ...
>
> Donald
Bugger! I wuz gonna say that... :-)
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| Howard Brazee 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:15:04 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf@panix.com () wrote:
>
>The part of the city I spent time in was on Kirtland AFB proper... work
>during the day, suck down cheap beer at night.
I often go to the Balloon Fiesta - but only occasionally do I see the
box, with the balloons starting off going south, lifting to the north
wind, switching direction, then descending and returning to the field.
That is  .
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| Alistair 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On 10 Jul, 23:44, LX-i <lxi0...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Pete Dashwood wrote:
>
>
> ...every night in Albuquerque, NM!
>
> The part of the city we are in is just west of the canyon in the Sandia
> mountains, which is where Interstate 40 comes through. Every night, as
> the sun goes down, wind blows through that canyon like crazy. Every
> morning, we awake to find our lawn chairs overturned - and, up until a
> few days ago, trash from our neighbor's yard. :( While we were gone
> two ws ago, a branch actually fell on our back-yard table and broke
> it, along with the chain-link fence.
>
> They didn't tell me anything about that... :)
>
You have trees in Albuquerque? I thought that NM only had cactii.
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| Alistair 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On 11 Jul, 00:18, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
> In article <yLmdnXr1W_LUlwnbnZ2dnUVZ_vvin...@comcast.com>,
>
> LX-i <lxi0...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> The answer, as explained earlier, is E) Some of the Above. How a shop
> wants to handle unexpected conditions is something that's usually been
> established along before I got a contract there and I have never had, as a
> part of my contract's scope, the responsibility or authority to change
> such things.
>
> There's more than one way to skin a cat... which way is best is left to
> Professional Cat-Skinners to argue, me, I code applications.
>
> DD
There are moves afoot to ban cat (and dog) skin imports in the UK. I
wonder how many childrens' beloved teddies are actually made out of
pooch and cat skins.
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| Howard Brazee 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:48:29 -0700, Alistair
<alistair@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>You have trees in Albuquerque? I thought that NM only had cactii.
8^)
It is funny that people moved to the desert to get rid of their
allergies - and then irrigated their lawns, filled their gardens with
their imported plants, and wonder whey they still have allergies.
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| donald tees wrote:
> LX-i wrote:
>
> Enough cheap beer would definitely have that effect ...
heh heh heh... :) I'm glad I didn't have a drink in my mouth when I
read that!
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Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:15:04 +0000 (UTC), docdwarf@panix.com () wrote:
>
>
> I often go to the Balloon Fiesta - but only occasionally do I see the
> box, with the balloons starting off going south, lifting to the north
> wind, switching direction, then descending and returning to the field.
> That is .
We have a National Park Service pass that we got on our trip to the
Grand Canyon, that lets us in pretty much any Federal recreation land or
preserve area. We may drive up to Sandia Peak (which is in the Cibola
National Forest) and watch the balloons from up there. Of course, I'm
sure I'm not the first person to have that idea, so who knows how
crowded it would be up there.
Is there a particular place you go where viewing is good?
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> On 10 Jul, 23:44, LX-i <lxi0...@netscape.net> wrote:
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> You have trees in Albuquerque? I thought that NM only had cactii.
There are trees around - the city plants them. On base, they even have
sprinklers. Trees, green grass... where am I again? ;)
I did get a good photo of this -looking cactus plant in one of the
lower Sandias. I don't know what kind it is, but it's in my rotation of
desktop backgrounds now.
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| Howard Brazee 2007-07-12, 6:55 pm |
| On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:18:07 -0600, LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>We have a National Park Service pass that we got on our trip to the
>Grand Canyon, that lets us in pretty much any Federal recreation land or
>preserve area. We may drive up to Sandia Peak (which is in the Cibola
>National Forest) and watch the balloons from up there. Of course, I'm
>sure I'm not the first person to have that idea, so who knows how
>crowded it would be up there.
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>Is there a particular place you go where viewing is good?
We tend to go down to the Balloon Fiesta Park mornings and evenings.
Other than that, it depends on the wind (we have a few parking lots we
like) and what else we have planned. With grandchildren on the
trip, I have to go to the museum, botanical gardens, & aquarium. Last
year we took the train between the botanical gardens & aquarium and
the zoo.
I'd like to spend the money and take them all to eat at the restaurant
at the top of the gondola. There's a Cracker Barrel restaurant that
tends to have a crowded parking lot and rocking chairs to watch the
balloons.
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| Alistair 2007-07-12, 6:55 pm |
| On 12 Jul, 03:29, LX-i <lxi0...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Alistair wrote:
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> There are trees around - the city plants them. On base, they even have
> sprinklers. Trees, green grass... where am I again? ;)
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I used to live on a UK RAF base where they painted the grass green and
used boot polish to make the truck tyres look clean and new, for the
area officer commanding's visit.
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| Alistair 2007-07-13, 6:55 pm |
| On 12 Jul, 23:51, LX-i <lxi0...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Alistair wrote:
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> Man - you know *know* the crap we had to go through when President Bush
> was doing what amounted to a touch-and-go on Maxwell. 10 miles away,
> the housing office gave warning notices to *every* housing resident,
> saying they needed to mow their lawns. (I was pretty upset until I
> found out they gave them to everyone, as my lawn was actually pretty
> good at that point!) Turns out, he landed, had a rally on the flight
> line, and took off again. heh...
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I think that some people (Democrats?) would have white lined the bird
in the lawn (does that make sense?)
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