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| roch77@gmail.com 2007-06-29, 9:55 pm |
| Hi,
I have a cobol data file from a unisys A series mainframe.
2 types of fields :
pic 9 (xx) comp. <= many fields of this type varying lengths
pic X (15) . <= only one field
I am having a problem translating the pic X (display field).
I ftp'd file from mainframe as binary. Each record is 120 bytes.
pic X field starts at byte 25 and the length is 15 bytes.
I am using perl and unpack.
When I did this:
$string = unpack H240, $record
the comp. fields come out fine and the display field is spit out in
hex representation of EBCDIC which I can manually translate using a
lookup table.
ie: f3f4f2f4f1f9f8f7f8c3d4f0f0f0f1 = 342419878CM0001
But I want to automate this. I thought I was able to use an
ebcdic2ascii function for this and translate the pic X field before
being unpacked, but I am not getting the right answer..
Can someone help pls? I am a beginner with this translation stuff.
To summarize, how do I translate a display field when file is ftp'd as
binary?
thanks a lot,
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| Doug Miller 2007-06-29, 9:55 pm |
| In article <1183131010.025069.104020@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, roch77@gmail.com wrote:
>Hi,
>I have a cobol data file from a unisys A series mainframe.
>
>2 types of fields :
>
>pic 9 (xx) comp. <= many fields of this type varying lengths
>pic X (15) . <= only one field
>
>I am having a problem translating the pic X (display field).
>
>I ftp'd file from mainframe as binary. Each record is 120 bytes.
>
>pic X field starts at byte 25 and the length is 15 bytes.
>
>I am using perl and unpack.
>
>When I did this:
>
>$string = unpack H240, $record
>the comp. fields come out fine and the display field is spit out in
>hex representation of EBCDIC which I can manually translate using a
>lookup table.
>
>ie: f3f4f2f4f1f9f8f7f8c3d4f0f0f0f1 = 342419878CM0001
>
>But I want to automate this. I thought I was able to use an
>ebcdic2ascii function for this and translate the pic X field before
>being unpacked, but I am not getting the right answer..
Some indication of what you *are* getting would be helpful... as well as some
indication of how you're going about it -- not to mention what platform you're
working on.
>
>Can someone help pls? I am a beginner with this translation stuff.
>
>To summarize, how do I translate a display field when file is ftp'd as
>binary?
With an ebcdic-to-ascii conversion. Without knowing what you're doing now, and
how it's not working, it's pretty hard to advise you how to fix it.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
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| Michael Mattias 2007-06-29, 9:55 pm |
| "Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:bQ9hi.23097$C96.793@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...[color=darkred]
> In article <1183131010.025069.104020@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> roch77@gmail.com wrote:
[color=darkred]
That should work, as long as that function is ONLY operating on the display
fields and not the entire record. (Unpacking? What's to "unpack?" If file
is FTPed it is not 'packed' it just 'is')
(Third time in three ws for this *exact* same question here. Search
archives, seems to me there have been at least 6,862 suggestions to solve
your problem)
MCM
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| In article <AX9hi.9363$c06.6434@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
Michael Mattias <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote:
[snip]
>(Third time in three ws for this *exact* same question here. Search
>archives, seems to me there have been at least 6,862 suggestions to solve
>your problem)
Maybe it's something in the water... used to be - back when they taught
such things in schools - that the beginning of a new semester would bring
folks asking The Same Question about getting their homework done; maybe
there's been a recent flood of outsourcing that started with a
magazine-article read by a Corner-Office Idiot which got translated into a
sneering analysis of 'I don't see what's so difficult... all ya gotta do
is...'
DD
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| roch77@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a cobol data file from a unisys A series mainframe.
[snip]
> I am having a problem translating the pic X (display field).
>
> I ftp'd file from mainframe as binary. Each record is 120 bytes.
Are you sure you're getting EBCDIC? I know the 2200 used a 9-bit word,
and straight binary FTP's dropped that 9th bit - you have to use "quote
type l36" (or "quote type l 36", depending on your client) to enable
36-bit words.
> ie: f3f4f2f4f1f9f8f7f8c3d4f0f0f0f1 = 342419878CM0001
Is this what's actually in the file on the mainframe?
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| Louis Krupp 2007-07-03, 7:55 am |
| LX-i wrote:
> roch77@gmail.com wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Are you sure you're getting EBCDIC? I know the 2200 used a 9-bit word,
> and straight binary FTP's dropped that 9th bit - you have to use "quote
> type l36" (or "quote type l 36", depending on your client) to enable
> 36-bit words.
>
>
> Is this what's actually in the file on the mainframe?
>
The A-Series (along with its Burroughs Large Systems predecessors and
its Unisys successors) uses 8-bit EBCDIC characters.
The original poster hasn't replied to Doug or posted anything else
lately, so my guess is that the problem, whatever it was, is solved.
Louis
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| Judson McClendon 2007-07-09, 9:55 pm |
| <roch77@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a cobol data file from a unisys A series mainframe.
>
> 2 types of fields :
>
> pic 9 (xx) comp. <= many fields of this type varying lengths
> pic X (15) . <= only one field
>
> I am having a problem translating the pic X (display field).
>
> I ftp'd file from mainframe as binary. Each record is 120 bytes.
>
> pic X field starts at byte 25 and the length is 15 bytes.
>
> I am using perl and unpack.
>
> When I did this:
>
> $string = unpack H240, $record
> the comp. fields come out fine and the display field is spit out in
> hex representation of EBCDIC which I can manually translate using a
> lookup table.
>
> ie: f3f4f2f4f1f9f8f7f8c3d4f0f0f0f1 = 342419878CM0001
>
> But I want to automate this. I thought I was able to use an
> ebcdic2ascii function for this and translate the pic X field before
> being unpacked, but I am not getting the right answer..
>
> Can someone help pls? I am a beginner with this translation stuff.
>
> To summarize, how do I translate a display field when file is ftp'd as
> binary?
See: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/216399#appliesto
At least that will give you the translation tables you need.
--
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Sun Valley Systems http://sunvaley.com
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
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| Alistair 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
| On 29 Jun, 16:47, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <1183131010.025069.104...@c77g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, roc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Some indication of what you *are* getting would be helpful... as well as some
> indication of how you're going about it -- not to mention what platform you're
> working on.
>
>
>
>
>
> With an ebcdic-to-ascii conversion. Without knowing what you're doing now, and
> how it's not working, it's pretty hard to advise you how to fix it.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
>
> It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The US doesn't import much tea. Barely worth the gesture.
| |
|
| In article <1184092446.631998.166940@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
Alistair <alistair@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
>The US doesn't import much tea.
I'm not sure how 'much' is quantified here, Mr Maclean... according to
http://hi.baidu.com/zuileya/blog/it...cad1c86ae7.html ,
total tea imports into the US are 91,299,495 95,706,100 kilos.
DD
| |
| Doug Miller 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
| In article <1184092446.631998.166940@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, Alistair <alistair@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 29 Jun, 16:47, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
[color=darkred]
>The US doesn't import much tea. Barely worth the gesture.
Actually, that is incorrect.
Close on to 100% of the tea consumed here is imported -- according to this
site, there is exactly -one- tea plantation in all of the United States.
http://www.246.dk/teanations.html
And as a nation, we consume a hell of a lot. 200g per capita annually ranks us
only 17th in the world; but multiply that by 300 million people, and you get a
lot of tea -- sixty thousand metric tons every year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_...r
_capita
Coffee is, as I'm sure you know, the hot beverage of choice for most
Americans. You may be unaware, however, that *iced* tea is the *cold*
beverage of choice for many of us; it's very popular here, particularly in the
summer. Many restaurants in the U.S. do not serve tea hot, but nearly every
restaurant I've ever been in here serves it iced. Even in the winter.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
| |
| Michael Mattias 2007-07-10, 6:55 pm |
| "Doug Miller" <spambait@milmac.com> wrote in message
news:9aTki.38325$Um6.20825@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> Close on to 100% of the tea consumed here is imported -- according to this
> site, there is exactly -one- tea plantation in all of the United States.
That' s only because nobody wants to say 'plantation' because it is
considered politically incorrect (racist).
This political correctness is fast becoming a holocaust for the English
languge.
MCM
| |
| Howard Brazee 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:25:29 GMT, "Michael Mattias"
<mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote:
>
>That' s only because nobody wants to say 'plantation' because it is
>considered politically incorrect (racist).
>
>This political correctness is fast becoming a holocaust for the English
>languge.
There is a very long history of words becoming obsolete for
politically correct reasons. Much longer than our use of the term.
The term "politically correct" has been effective, comparing the left
with the USSR. The reason it has been effective is that most
members of the left recognize its validity and don't like the
comparison. That is to their credit.
Unfortunately the Right doesn't seem to have a similar term that they
don't embrace. That is a failing of theirs.
| |
| Michael Mattias 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message
news:h6q993tk0va699qd2gk9fh0626hq61ilt1@
4ax.com...
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 23:25:29 GMT, "Michael Mattias"
> <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately the Right doesn't seem to have a similar term that they
> don't embrace. That is a failing of theirs.
I still think the example from the District of Columbia from a few years ago
still reigns as the champion of "PC run amok."
The DC Chief Financial officer, or maybe a Deputy Mayor, gave a press
conference relating to the District's proposed budget. When he was asked
about the 'lack of adequate funding' for some program, he stated that the
DC City Council had always been somewhat niggardly in its appropriations for
that program and there appeared to be no change on the horizon.
Well, apparently some thought the word "niggardly" was too close to what we
today euphemistically refer to as "the n-word", especially in in a
Southern city with a substantial Black population. The public outcry lead to
the Financial Officer's offering - AND THE MAYOR ACCEPTING! - his
resignation.
So where was the outcry over the obvious deficiency of he DC Schools, which
apparently can't teach kids how to use a dictionary? Then again, it's pretty
obvious the mayor himself was at least as clueless as were the District's
fourth-graders.
MCM
| |
| Doug Miller 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| In article <Zn6li.19888$2v1.6254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, "Michael Mattias" <mmattias@talsystems.com> wrote:
>So where was the outcry over the obvious deficiency of he DC Schools, which
>apparently can't teach kids how to use a dictionary? Then again, it's pretty
>obvious the mayor himself was at least as clueless as were the District's
>fourth-graders.
It's been well-known for a long time that the then-DC mayor (Marion Berry) is
one of the dumbest people ever to hold public office anywhere in the U.S.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
| |
| Alistair 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On 10 Jul, 20:00, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
> In article <1184092446.631998.166...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Alistair <alist...@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>
> I'm not sure how 'much' is quantified here, Mr Maclean... according tohttp://hi.baidu.com/zuileya/blog/item/8c0b314e099deccad1c86ae7.html,
> total tea imports into the US are 91,299,495 95,706,100 kilos.
>
> DD
So when did you last drink tea (and what variety)?
| |
| Alistair 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On 10 Jul, 22:49, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <1184092446.631998.166...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, Alistair <alist...@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Actually, that is incorrect.
>
> Close on to 100% of the tea consumed here is imported -- according to this
> site, there is exactly -one- tea plantation in all of the United States.http://www.246.dk/teanations.html
>
> And as a nation, we consume a hell of a lot. 200g per capita annually ranks us
> only 17th in the world; but multiply that by 300 million people, and you get a
> lot of tea -- sixty thousand metric tons every year.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_...n_per
...
>
200g would last a fortnight for me. Tea that is.
> Coffee is, as I'm sure you know, the hot beverage of choice for most
> Americans. You may be unaware, however, that *iced* tea is the *cold*
> beverage of choice for many of us; it's very popular here, particularly in the
> summer. Many restaurants in the U.S. do not serve tea hot, but nearly every
> restaurant I've ever been in here serves it iced. Even in the winter.
>
I tried iced tea once, didn't like it. In hot weather I find that a
weak but freshly brewed cup of Japanaese or Chinese green tea hits the
spot. Beats lager which doesn't seem to satisfy somehow.
| |
| Alistair 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On 11 Jul, 16:08, "Michael Mattias" <mmatt...@talsystems.com> wrote:
> "Howard Brazee" <how...@brazee.net> wrote in message
>
> news:h6q993tk0va699qd2gk9fh0626hq61ilt1@
4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
> I still think the example from the District of Columbia from a few years ago
> still reigns as the champion of "PC run amok."
>
> The DC Chief Financial officer, or maybe a Deputy Mayor, gave a press
> conference relating to the District's proposed budget. When he was asked
> about the 'lack of adequate funding' for some program, he stated that the
> DC City Council had always been somewhat niggardly in its appropriations for
> that program and there appeared to be no change on the horizon.
>
> Well, apparently some thought the word "niggardly" was too close to what we
> today euphemistically refer to as "the n-word", especially in in a
> Southern city with a substantial Black population. The public outcry lead to
> the Financial Officer's offering - AND THE MAYOR ACCEPTING! - his
> resignation.
>
> So where was the outcry over the obvious deficiency of he DC Schools, which
> apparently can't teach kids how to use a dictionary? Then again, it's pretty
> obvious the mayor himself was at least as clueless as were the District's
> fourth-graders.
>
> MCM
<WARNING - tongue-in-ch>
There will always be some innocent casualties in the war against
bigotry. It is what you Americans call collateral damage.
</WARNING - tongue-in-ch>
Maybe the guy should not have been so hasty in offering his
resignation and should have stood his ground.
| |
| Alistair 2007-07-11, 6:55 pm |
| On 11 Jul, 17:56, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <Zn6li.19888$2v1.6...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, "Michael Mattias" <mmatt...@talsystems.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's been well-known for a long time that the then-DC mayor (Marion Berry) is
> one of the dumbest people ever to hold public office anywhere in the U.S.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
>
> It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
Above or below GWB in the dumb-and-dumber stakes.
| |
|
| In article <1184180050.754683.65140@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Alistair <alistair@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 10 Jul, 20:00, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
>tohttp://hi.baidu.com/zuileya/blog/item/8c0b314e099deccad1c86ae7.html,
>
>So when did you last drink tea (and what variety)?
Today, and four... or five varieties, depending on how one counts. One
pot (approx. 32 oz) each of a white (Bai Mu Dan), a green (50/50
combination of jasmine/pouchong... the pouchong cuts what I find to be
excessive 'florality' in the jasmine), a red (Pu Erh)... and then, after
noon passed, I drink chamomille.
Of course, since none of these is capable of standing up without the pot
some might argue whether they deserve to be called 'tea'.
DD
| |
| Doug Miller 2007-07-11, 9:55 pm |
| In article <1184180521.848242.199790@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, Alistair <alistair@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 11 Jul, 17:56, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> Mattias" <mmatt...@talsystems.com> wrote:
>
>Above or below GWB in the dumb-and-dumber stakes.
Far below. He's even dumber than Al Gore.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
| |
| Doug Miller 2007-07-11, 9:55 pm |
| In article <1184180220.441626.171090@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, Alistair <alistair@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>200g would last a fortnight for me. Tea that is.
I don't go through it quite that quickly, but almost: 8 ounces (227g) lasts me
a little over three ws, definitely less than four, in the summertime.
>I tried iced tea once, didn't like it.
We invented iced tea, you know. If you weren't in America when you tried it,
it probably wasn't properly prepared. <g>
>In hot weather I find that a
>weak but freshly brewed cup of Japanaese or Chinese green tea hits the
>spot. Beats lager which doesn't seem to satisfy somehow.
I just can't seem to enjoy green tea nearly as much as I do black tea. And hot
tea in the summertime just seems ... wrong. Our summers are hotter than yours,
though, and that probably makes a difference.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
| |
|
| Alistair wrote:
>
> Maybe the guy should not have been so hasty in offering his
> resignation and should have stood his ground.
You don't know how many of us were pulling for just that. :)
Then, MSNBC has Niger Innis on one afternoon - except they had two "g"s
in his name! They apologized, but no one resigned or was fired over
that. Imagine if that had happened at a conservative news outlet...
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or a man who's offended by a God he doesn't believe in?" - Brad Stine
| |
|
| Alistair wrote:
> On 11 Jul, 17:56, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>
> Above or below GWB in the dumb-and-dumber stakes.
Marion Barry makes George W. Bush look like Albert Einstein.
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or a man who's offended by a God he doesn't believe in?" - Brad Stine
| |
| Howard Brazee 2007-07-12, 6:55 pm |
| On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:19:04 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>We invented iced tea, you know. If you weren't in America when you tried it,
>it probably wasn't properly prepared. <g>
Of course, it has to be in *my* part of America.
Southern ice tea is very, very sweet - northern isn't.
| |
| Doug Miller 2007-07-12, 6:55 pm |
| In article <kufc93t0q67vdet7lq70odi6rb122h4soo@4ax.com>, Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:19:04 GMT, spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>
>Of course, it has to be in *my* part of America.
>
>Southern ice tea is very, very sweet - northern isn't.
Which way do you prefer it?
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
| |
| Alistair 2007-07-12, 6:55 pm |
| On 12 Jul, 00:38, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
> In article <1184180050.754683.65...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Alistair <alist...@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Today, and four... or five varieties, depending on how one counts. One
> pot (approx. 32 oz) each of a white (Bai Mu Dan), a green (50/50
> combination of jasmine/pouchong... the pouchong cuts what I find to be
> excessive 'florality' in the jasmine), a red (Pu Erh)... and then, after
> noon passed, I drink chamomille.
>
> Of course, since none of these is capable of standing up without the pot
> some might argue whether they deserve to be called 'tea'.
>
> DD
Impressive, I stuck to Earl Grey (Twinings - under-flavoured).
| |
| Alistair 2007-07-12, 6:55 pm |
| On 12 Jul, 01:02, "HeyBub" <heybubNOS...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Alistair wrote:
>
>
> Hmm. GWB can fly an F-102 jet fighter* and has a MBA from Harvard.
>
> GWB is, however, a master of the intellectual rope-a-dope technique; his
> opponents keep misunderestimating him.
>
> ---
> *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-102_Delta_Dagger
I could fly an F-102, too. It's landing it safely that would give me
the greatest difficulty.
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| In article <dkyli.6432$rR.6186@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Charles Hottel <chottel@earthlink.net> wrote:
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><docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:f75qbr$6oq$1@reader2.panix.com...
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>Careful Doc, I believe you are extremly close to letting enthusiasm 'leak'
>into you posts and thus raising questions as to the authenticity of the
>poster ;-)
Thanks e'er-so-much for the warning, Mr Hottel... wouldn't want to
frighten the easily-scared among us, no. Perhaps I'll calm myself with a
nice pot of tea... well, not *real* tea, maybe a rooibos chai with a few
extra turns of Malabar black into it... and just the *tiniest* pinch of
dried Vietnamese hot pepper, sliced into strips to increase the surface
area... gives it a bite, you know.
What a wonderful world it is, that has such things to consume in it!
DD
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| Alistair 2007-07-13, 6:55 pm |
| On 12 Jul, 17:52, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <1184258765.168527.158...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Alistair <alist...@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> Jackson's isn't available to you?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
>
> It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
It is but I haven't tried it, yet. I mourn the fact that the Tesco
supermarket chain seems to have dropped Lapsang Souchong in favour of
hedgerow clippings (herbal stuff).
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| Alistair 2007-07-13, 6:55 pm |
| On 12 Jul, 18:01, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <1184258948.501339.165...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, Alistair <alist...@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> Yeah, I guess! Bottled iced tea sucks here, too, for the most part.
>
> Tell you what: Wait for a hot day. Then brew yourself a pot of black tea, any
> blend of your liking, as long as it's fresh. Fill a drinking glass about 3/4
> full with ice cubes. Pour the hot tea over the ice. Sweeten to taste.
>
> Now if you don't like *that*, you can accurately say you don't like iced tea.
> :-)
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphag at milmac dot com)
>
> It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
Thanks for the recipe. I'll give it a go (after I make some ice-cubes).
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| Alistair 2007-07-13, 6:55 pm |
| On 12 Jul, 18:06, Howard Brazee <how...@brazee.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:47:01 -0700, Alistair
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> <alist...@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> Why? High stall speed?
>
> Of course the president did not land on that carrier. I have never
> landed a jet on a carrier either. With the long USAF runways I've
> used, I could always just fly a plane to the ground (with a faster
> stall) if it didn't have good landing characteristics.
Being blind in one eye, I am not permitted a licence to fly. So I have
never learned to fly. I think that, once you are up there, the flying
bit is relatively easy. Landing is a trifle harder. On the simulators
(computer ones) I drop the plane to five feet and then put the
undercarriage down before cutting the engines.
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| Alistair 2007-07-13, 6:55 pm |
| On 12 Jul, 19:02, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
> In article <1184258765.168527.158...@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
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> Alistair <alist...@ld50macca.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> [snip]
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>
> Shucks, you'se jes' easily impressed. If you enjoy Earl Grey you might
> want to look about and see if someone carries Russian Caravan... not the
> Lapsang Souchong-flavored type, there's another which uses bergamot
> (sometimes called 'Imperial Russian Caravan').
>
> DD
I tried Russian Caravan once and found it too strong. I gave it to my
father (he drinks a Kenyan/Assam mix) and he didn't like it either. I
suspect a trip to Harrods (or, preferably, Fortnum and Mason's is in
order for a speciality shopping trip).
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| Alistair 2007-07-13, 6:55 pm |
| On 13 Jul, 01:34, docdw...@panix.com () wrote:
> In article <dkyli.6432$rR.6...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
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>
>
>
> Charles Hottel <chot...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Thanks e'er-so-much for the warning, Mr Hottel... wouldn't want to
> frighten the easily-scared among us, no. Perhaps I'll calm myself with a
> nice pot of tea... well, not *real* tea, maybe a rooibos chai with a few
> extra turns of Malabar black into it... and just the *tiniest* pinch of
> dried Vietnamese hot pepper, sliced into strips to increase the surface
> area... gives it a bite, you know.
>
> What a wonderful world it is, that has such things to consume in it!
>
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I'd be really impressed if it were not for the fact that I feel guilty
at having raised Bill's ire.
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