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| James J. Gavan 2007-04-27, 7:55 am |
| LX-i wrote:
> James J. Gavan wrote:
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<snip> -
Daniel,
Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I wont claim I memorized it,
but get the gist.
> Not related to software screw-ups, but check out my latest blog entry.
> Basically, the Army is having to borrow from the Air Force and Navy's
> money (payroll included) because Congress hasn't passed the emergency
> appropriations bill. There's a link at the top of the post to the
> original article, if you just want to read the facts instead of my
> right-wing ranting about it. :)
>
You being right-wing - I never would have guessed :-) Remember 'US
Presidents and Foreign Policy'. Don't have to wait until 2008 - same
answer as the American public is giving in polls.
Jimmy
You being right-wing - I never would have guessed.
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| In article < NqednWVQANW4bNnbnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast
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LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>Howard Brazee wrote:
>
>Yes - increased enforcement makes more people obey the law; not because
>they think it's a good law, but because they want to avoid the penalties
>for breaking it.
Oh... is *that* why the USA has such a high percentage of the population
incarcerated?
(I believe it was Gladstone who said 'Liberalism is trust of the people,
tempered by prudence; Conservatism is distrust of the people, tempered by
fear.')
DD
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| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> In article < NqednWVQANW4bNnbnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast
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> LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> Oh... is *that* why the USA has such a high percentage of the population
> incarcerated?
Could be - what I find hard to believe is the mantra of "If the crime
rate is down, why are so many people locked up?" It's kind of like
asking, "If I'm sweating so much, why am I so hot?"
> (I believe it was Gladstone who said 'Liberalism is trust of the people,
> tempered by prudence; Conservatism is distrust of the people, tempered by
> fear.')
I hope Gladstone said some other things too, because he or she is way
off on that one. :)
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| In article < DOGdneB1jp49UNjbnZ2dnUVZ_vrinZ2d@comcast
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LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
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>Could be - what I find hard to believe is the mantra of "If the crime
>rate is down, why are so many people locked up?" It's kind of like
>asking, "If I'm sweating so much, why am I so hot?"
Eh? Sweating is a neutral response; it can be a sign of either health or
sickness. It is not readily apparent what you are attempting to
communicate here; you might be saying that the percentage of a country's
population which has been imprisoned is a sign of that country's health...
whether ill or good health is unsure.
>
>
>I hope Gladstone said some other things too, because he or she is way
>off on that one. :)
A bit of research into Gladstone might be in order, then... remember, some
say that Away Back When the principles which are now called Republican
were adhered to by what was then called the Democratic party and
vice-versa.
DD
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| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> In article < DOGdneB1jp49UNjbnZ2dnUVZ_vrinZ2d@comcast
.com>,
> LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
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> Eh? Sweating is a neutral response; it can be a sign of either health or
> sickness. It is not readily apparent what you are attempting to
> communicate here; you might be saying that the percentage of a country's
> population which has been imprisoned is a sign of that country's health...
> whether ill or good health is unsure.
OK - bad example. I see the high prison population as one of the causes
of the low crime rate. So, the original statement becomes "If
[symptom], then why [cause]?"
>
> A bit of research into Gladstone might be in order, then... remember, some
> say that Away Back When the principles which are now called Republican
> were adhered to by what was then called the Democratic party and
> vice-versa.
True, and I'll look into it. But I can't imagine the antics of the
current Democrat party being considered conservative *ever*. :)
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| In article < 5vGdnWaTr9RD4dvbnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d@comcast
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LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
[snip]
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>OK - bad example. I see the high prison population as one of the causes
>of the low crime rate. So, the original statement becomes "If
>[symptom], then why [cause]?"
I see... so you see that Americans, per capita, commit more crimes than do
almost any other nationality on the planet and, as such, deserve to have
and benefit from having a larger percentage of their fellow-citizens
living behind bars and kept there by armed guards as a result.
Gladstone: '... Conservatism is distrust of the people, tempered by
fear'... now might you see why this came to mind?
>
>
>True, and I'll look into it. But I can't imagine the antics of the
>current Democrat party being considered conservative *ever*. :)
Members of the current Democratic Party are just that, Mr Summers... they
are members of the current Democratic party, no more, no less.
DD
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| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> I see... so you see that Americans, per capita, commit more crimes than do
> almost any other nationality on the planet and, as such, deserve to have
> and benefit from having a larger percentage of their fellow-citizens
> living behind bars and kept there by armed guards as a result.
Not everyone can handle freedom. With increased freedom comes increased
incentive to break the law - the whole "give an inch, take a mile"
thing. Also, capital punishment is used a lot less in this country than
in non-free countries. You don't have full jails if you execute
criminals instead of incarcerate them. :)
> Gladstone: '... Conservatism is distrust of the people, tempered by
> fear'... now might you see why this came to mind?
I'd see why it came to mind - but I think that it oversimplifies the
situation to the point where it trends toward inaccuracy.
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| In article < j8qdnUrM29UTGNrbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast
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LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
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>Not everyone can handle freedom.
Quite right... increased freedom means fewer legal constraints, it only
makes sense that decreasing legal constraints will result in... more
activities which exceed legal constraints; the logical conclusion, then,
is that the most free society is the one with the most crime.
> With increased freedom comes increased
>incentive to break the law - the whole "give an inch, take a mile"
>thing.
'More freedom makes for a greater incentive to commit crimes'... so a
society of slaves, which has less freedom, should have less crime... but
one of the few countries with a higher per-capita imprisonment rate than
the United States is the former Soviet Union... so it can be concluded
that there was just too much freedom there.
>Also, capital punishment is used a lot less in this country than
>in non-free countries. You don't have full jails if you execute
>criminals instead of incarcerate them. :)
So... less freedom and more capital punishment makes for a smaller
per-capita prison population; no wonder someone noticed that 'the only
place to find maximimum security is in jail'.
>
>
>I'd see why it came to mind - but I think that it oversimplifies the
>situation to the point where it trends toward inaccuracy.
That's right... accuracy comes in saying 'the fewer legal constraints
people have the more likely they are to commit crimes... except, of
course, for the former Soviet Union because they were Just Plain Bad.'
.... and I, of course, am the King of England. God Save the Me!
DD
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| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> In article < j8qdnUrM29UTGNrbnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@comcast
.com>,
> LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> Quite right... increased freedom means fewer legal constraints, it only
> makes sense that decreasing legal constraints will result in... more
> activities which exceed legal constraints; the logical conclusion, then,
> is that the most free society is the one with the most crime.
Sounds like anarchy to me... :)
However, issues dealing with people can seldom be broken down to "if (x)
then not (y)". The fact that a larger percentage than most of the
population is jailed, by itself, cannot be used to make concrete
statements on the freedom of a society. As you pointed out, the USSR
had a high prison population as well, even higher than ours.
Governments aren't like computer programs or mathematical problems,
because they have an extra unknown variable - humans. Communism was
great - on paper. But it failed to recognize the innate needs of
humans, and as such, had to be enforced with a heavy hand and eventually
collapsed. (It's on its way out - even in China.)
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| In article <3-mdnWFhmK9fwdXbnZ2dnUVZ_rylnZ2d@comcast.com>,
LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
>
>Sounds like anarchy to me... :)
What something 'sounds like', Mr Summers, could have more to do with the
ear perceiving it than anything else.
>
>However, issues dealing with people can seldom be broken down to "if (x)
>then not (y)".
Hmmmmm... 'if healthy then not sick'... 'if having longevity then not
dying young'... 'if free market then not many legal restraints on
trade'... 'if believing in deities then not atheistic'.
>The fact that a larger percentage than most of the
>population is jailed, by itself, cannot be used to make concrete
>statements on the freedom of a society.
The fact that a society chooses to hold a larger percentage than most
behind concrete cannot be used to make statements on the freedom of a
society... all right, I'll bite: what, Mr Summers, in your opinion, *can*
be used to make such statements?
>As you pointed out, the USSR
>had a high prison population as well, even higher than ours.
Quite right, Mr Summers... but nothing of interest can be concluded from
that, I'm sure.
DD
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| In article <2-KdnYpiTrdVldTbnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com>,
LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>Howard Brazee wrote:
[snip]
>
>Ah - not that there are fewer criminals, the crime rate is lower. Those
>aren't exchangeable. In fact, given that the number of criminals
>remains the same, as the prison population grows, the greater the
>percentage of criminals who are not on the streets committing more
>crimes. :)
Is that it? How curious... I guess the overall size and age of the
population remains the same, too.
DD
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| Pete Dashwood wrote:
> "LX-i" <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:kKqdnXF_cObUndTbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@co
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> Don't waste time here on my account, Daniel :-)
Heh - I'm not. That was the original post, though, that took it from a
military discussion to the more philosophical one that it has become. :)
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| SkippyPB wrote:
> Once Bush got in office, the monies for the extra police and tools was
> cut off (had to pay for those tax cuts).
You don't "pay" for tax cuts - they increase tax revenue! Our nation is
going through record levels of tax income. Last month, with the Bush
tax cuts in full swing, they broke the record!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070425...sury_taxes_dc_1
Pay for tax *cuts*? How would you pay for a tax *hike*?
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| James J. Gavan wrote:
> LX-i wrote:
>
> Daniel, ( or Mr. Summers as he keeps calling you). Shouldn't that be
> Sgt. Summers :-)
Technically (no pun intended) it's TSgt Summers. But, I'm easy - call
me whatever you want, just don't call me late for dinner!
> Not quite clear - is the above head count three potential Republicans or
> five ? :-). Even 3 would be 3 too many !
Just 3 - 3 very active boys...
> As to bull I was somewhat surprised by a couple of assertions you made
> in other messages (1) Global warming was bull and (2) You know better
> sources than CNN or BBC for news. Care to elaborate on the latter ?
> (You can ignore CNN - other than watching for day-by-day coverage on the
> early part of Gulf War II, I don't watch).
>
> However let's roll global warming and news sources together :--
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6648265.stm
Wow - they even updated it to include the fact that Dr. Falwell passed
away today. Impressive...
> Above was a news item I watched on PBS this evening and checked the web
> site for backup. I think we can safely assume that Evangelical
> colleges/universities are not hotbeds for growing Democrats. So now give
> your 'spin' on what the article covers - and which radio/TV-broadcaster,
> in your view, would give better(or unbiased) coverage than BBC.
The article above is quite well-balanced. It doesn't try to make
statements, it simply presents the two sides. I'm impressed. If that's
the normal way everyday news is presented by the BBC, I'd change my tune.
As to the media in this country, there is one example that I think is
pretty illustrative. Rush Limbaugh has a three-hour-a-day,
five-day-a-w radio talk show. As he does his show, he has an
Internet video stream running (called the "Dittocam"). In the run-up to
the 2006 elections, Michael J. Fox did an ad for a couple of candidates
supporting embryonic stem cell research. Rush commented that it looked,
for lack of a better term, faked. He moved his arms the way Michael J.
Fox did in the ad, for a couple of seconds. This video surfaced on a
couple of networks, MSNBC included. Rush saw that, and realized that
they had completely taken that part out of context, sped it up, and
looped it to make it look a *whole* lot worse than it was. He called
them on it on his radio show, and Joe Scarborough admitted that they
had, in fact, manipulated the video to make it run longer*.
* http://newsbusters.org/node/9027
Another example came in the run-up to the 2004 elections. A "breaking
story" was presented on 60 Minutes by then regular CBS Evening News
anchor Dan Rather, showing memos from Lt. George Bush's Texas Air
National Guard days. These proved that he was given special treatment
to avoid combat, a claim made by the Kerry campaign. There was just one
*big* problem - the memos were fakes**. In under 24 hours, a blogger
reproduced one of the memos exactly - using 12-point Times New Roman
font on Microsoft Word. These documents were supposed to be from 1972.
Proportional fonts and computer-generated superscripts were not part
of the TXANG's computer technology in 1972 - in fact, such a memo would
have likely been typed on a regular impact typewriter.
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate
Yet another comes from polls. Polls are used for a multitude of things,
but many times, the polls themselves are the news. (BTW - did you know
that our Congress' approval rating is now lower than President Bush's?)
This was also evident around the 2004 election - nearly all the exit
polls showed Kerry running away with the election***. However, Bush
easily won. Later speculations included the Kerry camp leaking the
polls. However it came down, the polls were reported, and the polls
were wrong.
***
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U...it
_polls
Another way polls can give misleading results are in the questions.
"Which plan for Social Security reform do you prefer - the increased
contributions of the Democrats, or the gutting of the system by
Republicans?" Who wouldn't prefer "contributions" over "gutting"?
These three are some of the more egregious examples in recent memory.
In the first, they knowingly manipulated the facts. In the latter two,
they failed to vet sources and resources, and used flawed techniques.
(The linked article describes a group from the University of Utah, whose
exit poll was very, very close to accurate.)
Walter Cronkite, an CBS anchorman for many, many years, used to end his
newscasts by saying "And that's the way it is." These days, we have
access to the information to prove that it is, in fact, *not* the way it
is. But, when the majority of Americans still form their opinions about
world events from these sources, it's frustrating to those of us who
have seen a better way. The current administration does not attempt to
educate the public (another of my big gripes with them). Why are tax
cuts good? Why is "gutting" Social Security actually the most caring
thing to do? Without them presenting their side, it's left to the
alternative media and concerned individuals to do their best to get the
word out.
It's good to see a balanced report like the one linked above - if you
had never heard of global warming before, you would know both sides to
the argument. Throw in some science, showing alternate reasons for
planetary temperature fluctuations (such as the earth's rotation,
sunspot activity, and normal up-and-down cycles), and the majority will
form the correct opinion - it is malarkey. :)
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| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> In article < kKqdnXF_cObUndTbnZ2dnUVZ_rqhnZ2d@comcast
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> LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> I did... the result is:
>
> 'However, issues dealing with groups of people can seldom be broken doen
> to 'if (x) the not (y)'
>
> 'Hmmmmm... 'if healthy then not sick'... 'if having longevity then not
> dying young'... 'if free market then not many legal restraints on
> trade'... 'if believing in deities then not atheistic'.'
"If not black then white" "If not Catholic then Protestant" "If not
European then Asian"
> Doesn't seem to be much of a difference.
Guess it depends on your perspective.
>
> Quite the contrary, Mr Summers; some might say that I am paying more
> attention than your words, corrections and re-corrections deserve.
Than they deserve? What makes my words more or less deserving than
anyone else's?
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| In article <N-6dnU9tB-o45tfbnZ2dnUVZ_r_inZ2d@comcast.com>,
LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
>
>"If not black then white" "If not Catholic then Protestant" "If not
>European then Asian"
>
>
>Guess it depends on your perspective.
*Now* you begin to get it... good! So... if not imprisoned then... what?
>
>Than they deserve? What makes my words more or less deserving than
>anyone else's?
(quotes below supplied on offline request)
You'd have to ask the ones who might deem them such, Mr Summers... at any
rate, since you now have the time to continue the conversation it might be
nice to return to the point you didn't address. You say you 'find it hard
to believe the mantra find hard to believe is the mantra of "If the crime
rate is down, why are so many people locked up?"' and asking such is kind
of like asking, "If I'm sweating so much, why am I so hot?"...
.... and when it is pointed out that fever is a neutral response, generated
by both healthy and unhealthy causes, so that having so many people locked
up might be a sign of health or disease, you assert that 'not everyone can
handle freedom'. When it is pointed out that a logical conclusion of this
is 'most free society is the one with the most crime', putting the former
Soviet Union in a rather... curious light you then state that 'issues
dealing with people can seldom be broken down to "if (x)
then not (y)"'...
.... and that the a large percentage of a society's population denied of
freedom cannot be used to make concrete statements of the freedom of the
society. That, apparently, is absurd - 'it is a very free society for
some people, not others' - but I tried to engage you further by asking
'what, Mr Summers, in your opinion, *can* be used to make such
statements?'.
At that point you suddenly became Too Busy to Answer.
DD
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| Howard Brazee wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 20:33:35 -0600, LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
> How does speeding it up make it last longer?
The looping does that - the speeding up makes the gestures look more
boisterous than they were. One thing I left out of that was that later,
Michael J. Fox said in an interview that he had taken too much of his
medicine before shooting those spots, to make his symptoms more
pronounced. (I guess Parkinson's medicine is not one of those "if a
little is good, more must be more good" things...)
But the clarifications aren't what makes the news - it's the original,
sensational, emotional (and often fabricated) event.
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"Who is more irrational? A man who believes in a God he doesn't see, or
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| SkippyPB wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2007 16:52:51 -0600, LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
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> Oh this is just too much for me to ignore.
As is your reply - however, I'm going to be out of town for a few days.
I'll post a proper rebuttal when I return. ;)
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"Who is more irrational? A man who believes in a God he doesn't see, or
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| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
> At that point you suddenly became Too Busy to Answer.
I found out I have 8 ws more than I though I had on my college
classes... :) But, a thoughtful response takes time, which I won't
have until I return. It's on its way...
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"Who is more irrational? A man who believes in a God he doesn't see, or
a man who's offended by a God he doesn't believe in?" - Brad Stine
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