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Fujitsu 4.0 reborn?
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| gary drummond 2006-07-25, 3:55 am |
| I have MF 2.0 (DOS) and 3.0 (Win3.1) academic versions, and Fujitsu 4.0 Pro.
With 98 and 98SE going down the tubes, I want to try installing COBOL(s)
on XP. Dosbox and using forcedos have been mentioned in previous posts
to install/run on XP. I also want to try using WINE on Solaris 10 for
ALL of my old apps.
Has anyone done any mix of these? I can't seem to get a search working
on Thunderbird and giganews. Is the old archive for the groups still around?
This will be just for my own use, I don't "work" for a living anymore,
but I do have several applications I currently use, and a few others I
want to write. I've no reason to get a newer version of the compiler
since I won't be developing anything to sell, and the last user I sold
something to retired his systems. I do want to move everything I have to
the latest version of an OS, if only to retire my older systems -
Win98/PII-266, Win98SE/PIII-500).
It's nice having the interpreter version to develop with, and the
Fujitsu version for the compiled application, as long I keep them
"compatible".
Also, I am curious to find out how the interpreter runs, speed wise,
under WINE/Solaris, compared to the compiled version under XP, on the
same hardware. I can generate much larger data files to create I/O VS
CPU bound tests, since my own data is less than 2K records for my
largest program.
Gary (Univac DOD COBOL in 1970!)
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| Alistair 2006-07-25, 6:55 pm |
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gary drummond wrote:
> I have MF 2.0 (DOS) and 3.0 (Win3.1) academic versions, and Fujitsu 4.0 Pro.
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Fujitsu 3.0 works fine as a fresh install under XP. If you attempt to
convert Fujitsu v3.0 on Win98/ME to run under an install of Win XP
where the Win XP was installed as an upgrade with conversion of
existing apps to run under Win XP rather than re-installing the apps on
top of the upgrade to Win Xp then you will run into all sorts of
problems (as I did) and the system will be most unreliable. Best to
install XP as a new install or as an upgrade to Win98/XP and then
install the Fujitsu on top. Reliability has improved for me since the
MSBlaster virus junked my hard drive for me and forced a
back-to-basics-clean re-install.
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| gary drummond 2006-07-27, 9:55 pm |
| Alistair wrote:
> gary drummond wrote:
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> Fujitsu 3.0 works fine as a fresh install under XP. If you attempt to
> convert Fujitsu v3.0 on Win98/ME to run under an install of Win XP
> where the Win XP was installed as an upgrade with conversion of
> existing apps to run under Win XP rather than re-installing the apps on
> top of the upgrade to Win Xp then you will run into all sorts of
> problems (as I did) and the system will be most unreliable. Best to
> install XP as a new install or as an upgrade to Win98/XP and then
> install the Fujitsu on top. Reliability has improved for me since the
> MSBlaster virus junked my hard drive for me and forced a
> back-to-basics-clean re-install.
>
Thanks.
I found the 4.0 Pro. CD but haven't unpacked the book/docs yet.
My XP/SP2 is a full install so I'll give it a try when I find the docs.
The 5" and 3" floppies cannot be read, so I'll have to find the backups
I made to a CD on '98 once upon a time...
Gary
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| jcaverly@sympatico.ca 2006-07-28, 7:55 am |
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gary drummond wrote:
> I have MF 2.0 (DOS) and 3.0 (Win3.1) academic versions, and Fujitsu 4.0 Pro.
>
> With 98 and 98SE going down the tubes, I want to try installing COBOL(s)
> on XP. Dosbox and using forcedos have been mentioned in previous posts
> to install/run on XP. I also want to try using WINE on Solaris 10 for
> ALL of my old apps.
>
> Has anyone done any mix of these? I can't seem to get a search working
> on Thunderbird and giganews. Is the old archive for the groups still around?
Hi,
A while back I installed Microsoft Virtual PC on my XP system, and
within the Virtual PC I have installed MS-DOS 6.22, on which I run my
old Microsoft COBOL 4.5 programs. No problems so far.
While I paid for my copy of Microsoft Virtual PC a while back,
Microsoft has decided to now make the product free for download
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx)
You need to have a licensed copy of the OS you want to install, in
order to install it in the Virtual PC. I also have Win98SE running in a
VPC, with no problems.
If you do decide to stick with DOS in a VPC, make sure to also read
http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_gu.../21/246136.aspx
Joe
Joe
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| Frank Swarbrick 2006-07-28, 6:55 pm |
| Interesting! Do you know if Virtual PC can run Linux?
gary drummond wrote:[color=darkred]
> I have MF 2.0 (DOS) and 3.0 (Win3.1) academic versions, and Fujitsu 4.0
Pro.
>
> With 98 and 98SE going down the tubes, I want to try installing COBOL(s)
> on XP. Dosbox and using forcedos have been mentioned in previous posts
> to install/run on XP. I also want to try using WINE on Solaris 10 for
> ALL of my old apps.
>
> Has anyone done any mix of these? I can't seem to get a search working
> on Thunderbird and giganews. Is the old archive for the groups still
around?
Hi,
A while back I installed Microsoft Virtual PC on my XP system, and
within the Virtual PC I have installed MS-DOS 6.22, on which I run my
old Microsoft COBOL 4.5 programs. No problems so far.
While I paid for my copy of Microsoft Virtual PC a while back,
Microsoft has decided to now make the product free for download
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx)
You need to have a licensed copy of the OS you want to install, in
order to install it in the Virtual PC. I also have Win98SE running in a
VPC, with no problems.
If you do decide to stick with DOS in a VPC, make sure to also read
http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_gu.../21/246136.aspx
Joe
Joe
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| Richard 2006-07-28, 6:55 pm |
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jcaverly@sympatico.ca wrote:
> I'm running DSL (Damn Small Linux) in a VPC. DSL is available from
> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org
DSL is quite nice for old low-power boxes. I have it on an old P166 IBM
laptop. It isn't mainstream Linux though.
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| gary drummond 2006-07-29, 3:55 am |
| jcaverly@sympatico.ca wrote:
> gary drummond wrote:
>
> Hi,
> A while back I installed Microsoft Virtual PC on my XP system, and
> within the Virtual PC I have installed MS-DOS 6.22, on which I run my
> old Microsoft COBOL 4.5 programs. No problems so far.
>
> While I paid for my copy of Microsoft Virtual PC a while back,
> Microsoft has decided to now make the product free for download
> (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx)
>
> You need to have a licensed copy of the OS you want to install, in
> order to install it in the Virtual PC. I also have Win98SE running in a
> VPC, with no problems.
>
> If you do decide to stick with DOS in a VPC, make sure to also read
> http://blogs.msdn.com/virtual_pc_gu.../21/246136.aspx
>
> Joe
>
>
> Joe
>
Thanks Joe. It sounds like something I might like to try. If the 3.1
version works OK I won't need the DOS version, but it is nice to have a
quick command line version. I also have a PCB design program than ran on
DOS/Win3.1 and would very much like to keep it. It runs on 98 but NOT
98SE...
Now I guess I'll have to see if the OS floppies work.
Gary
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| Michael Wojcik 2006-08-04, 6:55 pm |
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In article <4iuq5uF5iphoU1@individual.net>, "Frank Swarbrick" <Frank.Swarbrick@efirstbank.com> writes:
> Interesting! Do you know if Virtual PC can run Linux?
I've run SuSE 9 under Virtual PC without problems. Personally, I
prefer VMWare, however, which is now also available free.
I'm reading and posting news right now using xrn running on an old
version of Red Hat Linux on VMWare Workstation on Windows XP. Works
fine - in fact, considerably better than this old version of RH would
on the bare hardware. And VMWare's Suspend/Resume feature basically
gives me hibernation capability; I never have to halt Linux, as
VMWare will suspend it and resume it on command, or for power
failures, etc.
(Obviously this last requires a host OS that can notify VMWare of
impending loss of power, in enough time for it to suspend the guest
OS. But that's true of current versions of Windows running on stock
laptops, so it's easy to find.)
I'd be surprised to find an x86 Linux distribution that wouldn't run
under VPC or VMWare. Ditto for OpenBSD and various other FOSS OSes.
--
Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@microfocus.com
Writing poetry is an unnatural act. It takes great skill to make it
seem natural. -- Elizabeth Bishop
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| Frank Swarbrick 2006-08-04, 6:55 pm |
| Michael Wojcik<mwojcik@newsguy.com> 08/04/06 11:31 AM >>>
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>In article <4iuq5uF5iphoU1@individual.net>, "Frank Swarbrick"
<Frank.Swarbrick@efirstbank.com> writes:
>
>I've run SuSE 9 under Virtual PC without problems. Personally, I
>prefer VMWare, however, which is now also available free.
Hmm, didn't know that VMWare had a free version also. Cool!
I got the SuSE "SUPER" install running under Virtual PC, but then I did
something to hose it up. I'm going to try OpenSuse 10.1 as soon as I can
get it all downloaded.
Or I may just try VMWare.
I have OpenSuse 10.0 on CDs already, but it's the 64-bit version which will
not (for obvious reasons!) run under 32-bit Windows XP. Alas... I don't
think I'll try Windows XP 64 for the moment. (After all, it's not free!)
>I'm reading and posting news right now using xrn running on an old
>version of Red Hat Linux on VMWare Workstation on Windows XP. Works
>fine - in fact, considerably better than this old version of RH would
>on the bare hardware. And VMWare's Suspend/Resume feature basically
>gives me hibernation capability; I never have to halt Linux, as
>VMWare will suspend it and resume it on command, or for power
>failures, etc.
>
>(Obviously this last requires a host OS that can notify VMWare of
>impending loss of power, in enough time for it to suspend the guest
>OS. But that's true of current versions of Windows running on stock
>laptops, so it's easy to find.)
>
>I'd be surprised to find an x86 Linux distribution that wouldn't run
>under VPC or VMWare. Ditto for OpenBSD and various other FOSS OSes.
I figured it *could* work under VPC, but I thought perhaps MS did something
to intentionally make it so it would not work... :-)
Thanks for the info!
Frank
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Frank Swarbrick
Senior Developer/Analyst - Mainframe Applications
FirstBank Data Corporation - Lakewood, CO USA
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