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| Pete Dashwood wrote:
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> Daniel,
>
> I didn't realise you are in danger from Katrina.
>
> Some of our channels here run direct feeds from the US and UK after midnight
> so we get Fox and BBC. I saw some Fox coverage of it last night.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA -
http://www.noaa.gov/ ) has a map of Katrina's 3-day projection. If you
look at that map (located at
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/gra...html?3day?large
), where the "AL" is over Alabama, we're just up from the bottom tip of
the letter "L". It's overshot us for now, but that means that we're in
the upper-right quadrant, which is where the spin-up tornadoes are. :(
> "LX-i" <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:a983e$431084d0$45491c57$28788@KNOLO
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>
>
> So, this is a fairly frequent event in Montgomery? It must be terrible for
> everybody concerned.
It didn't *used* to be frequent. In my first 6 1/2 years here, anytime
the coast got a hurricane, we'd just get a bunch of rain, and maybe a
little wind. Annoying, but not dangerous. Then, Ivan last year plowed
right through Montgomery, and was still a category 2 (if I remember
correctly) when it blew over my house. (The weirdest thing I think I've
seen in my life so far was being in the eye of that hurricane. Clear
skies, sunshine, the works - for about 15 minutes. Then back to the
pounding. It was like the hurricane took a smoke break! :> )
> Are the defence measures similar to those for tornadoes (get in the cellar
> and hope the house is still there when it's over...)?
Not really - at least this far inland (~170 miles), it's not going to
blow over a house or anything (although your roof may lose several
shingles - during Ivan, we lost the cover of the exhaust fan over the
stove, which is where some of the water came in the house). But yes,
once the winds come, you get into the basement or interior no-window
room, with your batteries, water, radio, etc., and wait it out.
During Ivan, we never lost power here on base (which was rare - most of
the city lost power anywhere from 8 hours to 3 days), and we never lost
cable. So, I had re-routed the cable modem and actually had it in the
bathroom (our only interior no-window room) with me, and had my computer
on its cart. (My family had gone elsewhere to escape it.) It should be
easier with the laptop this time - of course, we'll have to see what
path it takes. If it drifts much more west, we'll probably get away
with a few tornado warnings.
> I saw on Fox something about a 'get clear' zone being around 5 hours. I
> didn't really understand what it meant but it looked like if you didn't get
> out within this time you wouldn't be able to move.
>
> So do people simply pack up and go to another area? I could imagine huge
> traffic congestion. And the disruption if you have to do this frequently
> must be awful.
I'm not sure about a "get clear" zone, but they have ways of getting the
traffic through. For Ivan and Dennis, I-65 from Mobile (coast) to
Montgomery (170 miles inland) was made northbound on both sides of the
Interstate. Once everything was done, they did the reverse - both sides
became southbound for a time. It's still slow-going, but you'd be
surprised how much traffic you can clear.
(There are Federal highways that are still two-way, so folks needing to
come north can still do it - they just have to take what is now
considered a "back road"...)
> What do most people do to cope?
You got me. :) Being this far inland is usually enough.
> Why would people want to live in a town that is frequently hit by
> hurricanes? I know you, personally, have no choice but what is the
> attraction of Montgomery for the general population?
Well, like I said, this far inland is generally OK. And, in Florida,
homes are built expecting to have to weather (no pun intended) storms
like this. (Well, not *quite* like this - category 5's are few and far
between.) For Montgomery, there are folks that have grown up here;
there are folks that enjoy the history of the area (from Hank Williams
to Rosa Parks); some are here because of their jobs.
> I think I'd be much more reticient to live in a hurricane or
> tornado zone than I would be to live here, so maybe conditioning (while
> Kiwis are not blase about earthquakes, neither do we live in constant fear)
> and upbringing shape how we assess these risks.
You're conditioned to what you're around. The heat and humidity here in
the summer is stifling. The locals don't like it, but they're used to
it. Now, let the Air Force send some Maine or Michigan native here...
:) It's actually kind of funny to those of us who are used to it.
>
> That's kindof unreasonable. But then, the military are not noted for their
> reasonability... :-) I bet the brass who made that decision don't live in
> Montgomery...
They do! He lives in one of the biggest houses on Montgomery. (And I
can talk about him because he's not the commander anymore... ;> ) I
have a feeling that *he* wasn't the one securing stuff around his house
- so he didn't realize the need to unsecure it.
> Finally, sincere best wishes for all people reading this who may be in the
> path of a hurricane or tornado.
>
> Maybe, in time, we'll find a way to encourage these systems to dissipate.
Heh - well, although they're quite inconvenient to us in our
technological age, they actually serve a purpose in the cycle of nature.
Doesn't make it any easier to watch, though.
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| Oops!
LX-i wrote:
> They do! He lives in one of the biggest houses on Montgomery.
And I *should* have wrote:
> They do! He lives in one of the biggest houses on Maxwell (AFB).
(yes, I know I just said "have wrote"...)
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| Joe Zitzelberger 2005-08-28, 6:55 pm |
| In article <6e94a$4311e04e$45491c57$27854@KNOLOGY.NET>,
LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>
> Well, like I said, this far inland is generally OK. And, in Florida,
> homes are built expecting to have to weather (no pun intended) storms
> like this. (Well, not *quite* like this - category 5's are few and far
> between.) For Montgomery, there are folks that have grown up here;
> there are folks that enjoy the history of the area (from Hank Williams
> to Rosa Parks); some are here because of their jobs.
I have doubts about the houses in Florida being built to a higher
standard.
The entire "manufactured housing" industry in the southeast is still
working overtime to catch up on the replacement trailers needed after
last seasons Charlie, Francis and Ivan damage.
Florida has some pretty lame building codes considering their hurricane
exposure.
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| Pete Dashwood 2005-08-28, 9:55 pm |
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Hi Daniel,
Thanks for the responses and the links. I found it very interesting. Always
interested in insight about other 'ways of life' and how people cope with
problems in different parts of the world.
Pete.
TOP POST - nothing new below.
"LX-i" <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:6e94a$4311e04e$45491c57$27854@KNOLO
GY.NET...
> Pete Dashwood wrote:
>
> The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA -
> http://www.noaa.gov/ ) has a map of Katrina's 3-day projection. If you
> look at that map (located at
> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/gra...html?3day?large )
> , where the "AL" is over Alabama, we're just up from the bottom tip of the
> letter "L". It's overshot us for now, but that means that we're in the
> upper-right quadrant, which is where the spin-up tornadoes are. :(
>
>
> It didn't *used* to be frequent. In my first 6 1/2 years here, anytime
> the coast got a hurricane, we'd just get a bunch of rain, and maybe a
> little wind. Annoying, but not dangerous. Then, Ivan last year plowed
> right through Montgomery, and was still a category 2 (if I remember
> correctly) when it blew over my house. (The weirdest thing I think I've
> seen in my life so far was being in the eye of that hurricane. Clear
> skies, sunshine, the works - for about 15 minutes. Then back to the
> pounding. It was like the hurricane took a smoke break! :> )
>
>
> Not really - at least this far inland (~170 miles), it's not going to blow
> over a house or anything (although your roof may lose several shingles -
> during Ivan, we lost the cover of the exhaust fan over the stove, which is
> where some of the water came in the house). But yes, once the winds come,
> you get into the basement or interior no-window room, with your batteries,
> water, radio, etc., and wait it out.
>
> During Ivan, we never lost power here on base (which was rare - most of
> the city lost power anywhere from 8 hours to 3 days), and we never lost
> cable. So, I had re-routed the cable modem and actually had it in the
> bathroom (our only interior no-window room) with me, and had my computer
> on its cart. (My family had gone elsewhere to escape it.) It should be
> easier with the laptop this time - of course, we'll have to see what path
> it takes. If it drifts much more west, we'll probably get away with a few
> tornado warnings.
>
>
> I'm not sure about a "get clear" zone, but they have ways of getting the
> traffic through. For Ivan and Dennis, I-65 from Mobile (coast) to
> Montgomery (170 miles inland) was made northbound on both sides of the
> Interstate. Once everything was done, they did the reverse - both sides
> became southbound for a time. It's still slow-going, but you'd be
> surprised how much traffic you can clear.
>
> (There are Federal highways that are still two-way, so folks needing to
> come north can still do it - they just have to take what is now considered
> a "back road"...)
>
>
> You got me. :) Being this far inland is usually enough.
>
>
> Well, like I said, this far inland is generally OK. And, in Florida,
> homes are built expecting to have to weather (no pun intended) storms like
> this. (Well, not *quite* like this - category 5's are few and far
> between.) For Montgomery, there are folks that have grown up here; there
> are folks that enjoy the history of the area (from Hank Williams to Rosa
> Parks); some are here because of their jobs.
>
>
> You're conditioned to what you're around. The heat and humidity here in
> the summer is stifling. The locals don't like it, but they're used to it.
> Now, let the Air Force send some Maine or Michigan native here... :) It's
> actually kind of funny to those of us who are used to it.
>
>
> They do! He lives in one of the biggest houses on Montgomery. (And I can
> talk about him because he's not the commander anymore... ;> ) I have a
> feeling that *he* wasn't the one securing stuff around his house - so he
> didn't realize the need to unsecure it.
>
>
> Heh - well, although they're quite inconvenient to us in our technological
> age, they actually serve a purpose in the cycle of nature. Doesn't make it
> any easier to watch, though.
>
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> ~ / \ / ~ Live from Montgomery, AL! ~
> ~ / \/ o ~ ~
> ~ / /\ - | ~ daniel@thebelowdomain ~
> ~ _____ / \ | ~ http://www.djs-consulting.com ~
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> ~ h---- r+++ z++++ ~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
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| Joe Zitzelberger wrote:
> In article <6e94a$4311e04e$45491c57$27854@KNOLOGY.NET>,
> LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> I have doubts about the houses in Florida being built to a higher
> standard.
>
> The entire "manufactured housing" industry in the southeast is still
> working overtime to catch up on the replacement trailers needed after
> last seasons Charlie, Francis and Ivan damage.
Well, you just explained your own argument. People who put up trailers
in Florida deserve exactly what they get. :) I was referring to the
site-constructed houses I've seen - and, of course, businesses seem to
last as well.
> Florida has some pretty lame building codes considering their hurricane
> exposure.
Should they prohibit trailers? They'd probably be excommunicated from
the South if they did that! ;)
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~ / \ / ~ Live from Montgomery, AL! ~
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| "Joe Zitzelberger" <joe_zitzelberger@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <6e94a$4311e04e$45491c57$27854@KNOLOGY.NET>,
> LX-i <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>
> I have doubts about the houses in Florida being built to a higher
> standard.
>
> The entire "manufactured housing" industry in the southeast is still
> working overtime to catch up on the replacement trailers needed after
> last seasons Charlie, Francis and Ivan damage.
>
> Florida has some pretty lame building codes considering their hurricane
> exposure.
Actually, since Andrew, specific building codes _have_ improved.
Unfortunately, it's the codes not related to wind damage that have had the
problems. In a minor hurricane most _new_ homes will still have a roof due
to the additional supports around trusses. However, even in fine weather
most bathrooms fail when regular green board is used to house showers. If
your bathroom fails (the tiles fall off and your hand can go through the
wall) you are not protected as it's not "structural" damage - essentially
leaving you to find a bathroom rebuilder (of which there are many bad ones).
Another downside of the improvements has actually been an increase in mold
due to water damage. The new codes make the buildings much more air tight,
much more insulated which keeps moisture _in_ as well as _out_ thought the
mold epidemic is primarily driven by lawyers and the industry is totally
unregulated meaning that the idea is to scare everyone into thinking that
they don't have just "mold" on their bread caused by 90F and 90% humidity -
it's actually toxic mold and you may have cancer.
Then again, the bible says we should build homes on rocks and not on
Sand....One could argue that San Francisco has codes that don't protect its
houses against a massive earthquake....up in Wyoming, a giant magma
explosion will destroy homes....Poor New Orleans decided to exist BELOW sea
level with water all around.....The deserts of the SW are _too_
hot...Portugal has no water....the list goes on and on....I don't know
what's wrong with New Zealand so I will be looking into that one day I'm
sure...
JCE
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| Rick Smith 2005-08-29, 6:55 pm |
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"Joe Zitzelberger" <joe_zitzelberger@nospam.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> The entire "manufactured housing" industry in the southeast is still
> working overtime to catch up on the replacement trailers needed after
> last seasons Charlie, Francis and Ivan damage.
H'm, "replacement trailers"? Trailering is the means
by which manufactured homes are moved. They are
homes not trailers. After being trailered to a site, the
home is raised; pylons are placed under its frame;
its trailering wheels and tongue are removed; anchors
are driven into the ground and the home's anchor
straps are attached to those anchors; water, sewer,
and electrical connections are made; then skirting is
added to conceal the underside. These steps must be
reversed to render the home capable of being trailered
again.
A properly anchored and shuttered manufactured home
can withstand winds of at least 125 mph.
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| Rick Smith 2005-08-29, 6:55 pm |
|
"LX-i" <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3a564$43125871$45491c57$10554@KNOLO
GY.NET...
> Joe Zitzelberger wrote:
[snip]
>
> Well, you just explained your own argument. People who put up trailers
> in Florida deserve exactly what they get. :) I was referring to the
> site-constructed houses I've seen - and, of course, businesses seem to
> last as well.
[As I said elsewhere, trailering is the means by which
manufactured homes are moved. They are homes not
trailers.]
Daniel, your comment seems uncharitable. I happen to
live in a manufactured home in Florida because, for me,
it is comfortable, affordable housing. I certainly do not
deserve to have my home destroyed just because it was
manufactured and not site-constructed.
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| docdwarf@panix.com 2005-08-29, 6:55 pm |
| In article <11h6q9etpe8fbc3@corp.supernews.com>,
Rick Smith <ricksmith@mfi.net> wrote:
>
>"LX-i" <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3a564$43125871$45491c57$10554@KNOLO
GY.NET...
[snip]
[snip]
[color=darkred]
>Daniel, your comment seems uncharitable.
Oh, come *on* now, Mr Smith... can't you see the *smiley*? What's the
matter, don't you know that *anything*, no matter how hurtful or hateful
or degrading or bigoted, can be un-said if it is followed by 'What's the
matter... can't take a *joke*?'
You'd know that if you listened to more Talk Radio, that's for sure... at
least that's where *I* learned it.
>I happen to
>live in a manufactured home in Florida because, for me,
>it is comfortable, affordable housing. I certainly do not
>deserve to have my home destroyed just because it was
>manufactured and not site-constructed.
Economic Darwinism, survival of the fittest, learn to enjoy creative
destruction, if you aren't born into a wealthy family then you deserve
what you get... hmmmmmm... now where's that fool smiley key?
DD
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| Rick Smith wrote:
>
> A properly anchored and shuttered manufactured home
> can withstand winds of at least 125 mph.
Then you, my good man, could make a *fortune* educating those in Florida
on how to "properly" anchor their homes. :)
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| Rick Smith wrote:
> "LX-i" <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:3a564$43125871$45491c57$10554@KNOLO
GY.NET...
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Daniel, your comment seems uncharitable. I happen to
> live in a manufactured home in Florida because, for me,
> it is comfortable, affordable housing. I certainly do not
> deserve to have my home destroyed just because it was
> manufactured and not site-constructed.
I certainly don't hope that your home is destroyed. However,
manufactured homes are notoriously unstable, sustaining much greater
damage (up to, and including complete structural collapse) than other
forms of construction. (Now, if you feel that this statement is a straw
man, then you're naturally not going to agree with the statements that
follow.) Maybe you've researched things, and you feel comfortable with
the level of safety which your particular home provides. Personally,
I'd want a little more between me and 2-3+ hurricanes each year.
My statement simply reflects my belief that we all have choices that we
have to make. To those who make those choices and suffer loss, my heart
goes out to them, just as it would for a house or an apartment building.
However, the benefit of this particular home style/location choice
weighed against the risks, to me, isn't compelling.
<flame_bait>
Of course, there are still people who smoke, too. :)
</flame_bait>
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| Rick Smith 2005-08-29, 9:55 pm |
|
"LX-i" <lxi0007@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Rick Smith wrote:
>
> I certainly don't hope that your home is destroyed.
The point was that your comment was unkind and censorious
as reflected by "deserve exactly what they get".
[snip]
> My statement simply reflects my belief that we all have choices that we
> have to make.
It went beyond simple and into disrespectful.
[snip]
> However, the benefit of this particular home style/location choice
> weighed against the risks, to me, isn't compelling.
Now, that was a simple statement.
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| Rick Smith 2005-08-29, 9:55 pm |
|
<docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:df04q2$9pc$1@panix5.panix.com...
> In article <11h6q9etpe8fbc3@corp.supernews.com>,
> Rick Smith <ricksmith@mfi.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
> Oh, come *on* now, Mr Smith... can't you see the *smiley*? What's the
> matter, don't you know that *anything*, no matter how hurtful or hateful
> or degrading or bigoted, can be un-said if it is followed by 'What's the
> matter... can't take a *joke*?'
>
> You'd know that if you listened to more Talk Radio, that's for sure... at
> least that's where *I* learned it.
That must be it. I don't listen to talk radio.
>
> Economic Darwinism, survival of the fittest, learn to enjoy creative
> destruction, if you aren't born into a wealthy family then you deserve
> what you get... hmmmmmm... now where's that fool smiley key?
Reminds me of a smiling President Clinton (commenting
on the vote count in Florida after the 2000 general election)
saying, as I recall, "This proves more than ever that those
who do not vote deserve the government they get." My
thought was immediate, "I never deserved the government
I got even when I was voting."
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| Joe Zitzelberger 2005-08-29, 9:55 pm |
| In article <11h6opo2546d146@corp.supernews.com>,
"Rick Smith" <ricksmith@mfi.net> wrote:
> "Joe Zitzelberger" <joe_zitzelberger@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:joe_zitzelberger-4DD9C9.17304328082005@ispnews.usenetserver.com...
> [snip]
>
> H'm, "replacement trailers"? Trailering is the means
> by which manufactured homes are moved. They are
> homes not trailers. After being trailered to a site, the
> home is raised; pylons are placed under its frame;
> its trailering wheels and tongue are removed; anchors
> are driven into the ground and the home's anchor
> straps are attached to those anchors; water, sewer,
> and electrical connections are made; then skirting is
> added to conceal the underside. These steps must be
> reversed to render the home capable of being trailered
> again.
>
> A properly anchored and shuttered manufactured home
> can withstand winds of at least 125 mph.
People continue to call them 'trailers' long after they have been parked
in their final resting place. Thus the term 'trailer parks'. Some even
leave the axles on in case they want to move again.
Even if they are properly anchored, then cannot stand up to the types of
storms that hit Florida annually. When was the last year that they did
NOT get winds in excess of 125 somewhere in the state? I can't recall
one.
Of course, many are not anchored at all, or are improperly anchored.
A mere cat 1 (just fun and games for weather buffs) will gust enough to
take out unanchored or improperly anchored trailers. A cat 2 will trash
the properly anchored ones.
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| Joe Zitzelberger 2005-08-29, 9:55 pm |
| In article <KitQe.66601$Oy2.38937@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
"jce" <defaultuser@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Joe Zitzelberger"
[color=darkred]
> Actually, since Andrew, specific building codes _have_ improved.
> Unfortunately, it's the codes not related to wind damage that have had the
> problems. In a minor hurricane most _new_ homes will still have a roof due
> to the additional supports around trusses. However, even in fine weather
> most bathrooms fail when regular green board is used to house showers. If
> your bathroom fails (the tiles fall off and your hand can go through the
> wall) you are not protected as it's not "structural" damage - essentially
> leaving you to find a bathroom rebuilder (of which there are many bad ones).
I would say that anyone that puts green board under tile ought to be
strung up and have their livers fed to vultures (next to the guy who
invented Micro$oft 'clippy').
Cement board is not that much more expensive and is much HARDIE-r (if
you will pardon the pun).
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| Rick Smith 2005-08-30, 3:55 am |
|
"Joe Zitzelberger" <joe_zitzelberger@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:joe_zitzelberger-14F221.22240129082005@ispnews.usenetserver.com...
> In article <11h6opo2546d146@corp.supernews.com>,
> "Rick Smith" <ricksmith@mfi.net> wrote:
>
I was mistaken, the standard is 120 mph.
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> People continue to call them 'trailers' long after they have been parked
> in their final resting place. Thus the term 'trailer parks'.
Some people, including myself, do not always know
how or when definitions change. Where lot rents are involved,
"trailer park" or "mobile home park" may be appropriate;
but I own the lot and live in a manufactured home community.
Nonetheless, a manufactured home in a "trailer park" is still
a manufactured home and not a trailer.
> Some even
> leave the axles on in case they want to move again.
I am not aware of axles being removable.
> Even if they are properly anchored, then cannot stand up to the types of
> storms that hit Florida annually. When was the last year that they did
> NOT get winds in excess of 125 somewhere in the state? I can't recall
> one.
Tornados occur every year and exceed 125 mph. There
are years when no hurricanes hit Florida and most that do
are not major hurricanes (cat 3 or higher).
< http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/paststate.shtml >
> Of course, many are not anchored at all, or are improperly anchored.
>
> A mere cat 1 (just fun and games for weather buffs) will gust enough to
> take out unanchored or improperly anchored trailers. A cat 2 will trash
> the properly anchored ones.
< http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml >
Category Two Hurricane:
Winds 96-110 mph (83-95 kt or 154-177 km/hr).
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| docdwarf@panix.com 2005-08-30, 7:55 am |
| In article <11h7genss4n1eb3@corp.supernews.com>,
Rick Smith <ricksmith@mfi.net> wrote:
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>
>Reminds me of a smiling President Clinton (commenting
>on the vote count in Florida after the 2000 general election)
>saying, as I recall, "This proves more than ever that those
>who do not vote deserve the government they get." My
>thought was immediate, "I never deserved the government
>I got even when I was voting."
Sorry, the position of King of England's already filled and not open to
the electoral process... God Save the Me!
(I think it was Mencken who said something along the lines of 'Give the
people what they want... they deserve it.')
DD
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