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| Pete Dashwood 2005-08-10, 8:59 am |
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"Joe Zitzelberger" <joe_zitzelberger@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> In article <3lt40aF14658jU1@individual.net>,
> "Pete Dashwood" <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
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> Context is everything.
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> It is what allows Daniel to see evolution as only a "theory" while
> Richand can see it as a Theory. It is what allows DD to see unions as a
> helpful protection for the worker while I see them as nothing more that
> legal extortion and a threat to my kneecaps. It allows Bill Clinton to
> consider a blow job "not sexual relations" while my wife has a very
> different view.
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> We are all waaaayyy coloured by our experiences and that alters the
> context from which we view things.
I'm coming to this point of view. I think we all realize it intuitively and
intellectually, but it is only very recently that I have actually realized
HOW much it colours the way we communicate. ( I'm not sure I agree it is
everything, but it is way more important than I previously thought.)
Removing the explicit stated contexts from a communication certainly changes
the intended meaning, and that is before you even begin to consider the
implicit contexts, like tone of voice, body language, etc.
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> My wife, Tracy, likes to say that email always sounds 10 times worse
> than the writer intended. But I was trained in the 15-user BBS 'if your
> post doesn't stir some controversy then the thread dies' school of
> online chatting.
I too, spent many happy hours on BBSs before the Internet was available, and
understand whereof you speak...:-)
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> It is almost impossible to get a clear indication of a posters emotion
> or any form of subtly in a media that allows less that 100 displayable
> characters. Efforts to try are invariably going to be badly mistaken.
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> So don't worry about it. Have another beer and appreciate that you live
> in one of the  est places in the world...live is good...you can
> ski...then go to the beach...then ski....
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Another 20 cms of fresh snow fell on the Ski fields today...:-) As a result
the overnight temperature has dropped to around 5 degrees Centigrade here in
the Bay (some 200 KM from the snow). But we had brilliant sunshine today
(18C) and I had the roof off the car... Still a bit too cold for the beach,
though (at least for a pussy like me - people were surfing in wetsuits)...
I gave up some time back actually worrying about offence I may have given
here; I do the best I can.
I said I'm sorry, have taken on board the objection, and attempted to
clarify my position. I can't do much more.
The whole question of communication and meaning and the respective
approaches to it, is a lot more fun than shared procedure division code,
anyway, and that's why I am still here :-)
Some good has come out of it (I learned a few things) and some very
interesting ideas have been presented and debated.
> Why read so much into a 300-iteration post/repost issue that started
> from a misunderstanding?
Thanks. I appreciate your plain common sense. And you are right; the thread
generated is way out of proportion to the importance of the matter that
started it, but that is the nature of CLC... :-) I'm honestly not upset by
it any more.
Pete.
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| docdwarf@panix.com 2005-08-10, 8:59 am |
| In article <3lu5c8F14g648U1@individual.net>,
Pete Dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
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>I'm honestly not upset by it any more.
Great value can be found after taking offense, Mr Dashwood... it might be
that 'what causes upset' has something to do with 'what is taken
seriously'.
DD
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| Pete Dashwood 2005-08-10, 4:59 pm |
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<docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:ddcqmp$7m7$1@panix5.panix.com...
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> In article <3lu5c8F14g648U1@individual.net>,
> Pete Dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
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> [snip]
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> Great value can be found after taking offense, Mr Dashwood... it might be
> that 'what causes upset' has something to do with 'what is taken
> seriously'.
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Probably. Either way, it doesn't bother me. But that doesn't mean I'm not
serious about the discussion... :-)
Pete.
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| docdwarf@panix.com 2005-08-10, 4:59 pm |
| In article <3luj3qF146q80U1@individual.net>,
Pete Dashwood <dashwood@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
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><docdwarf@panix.com> wrote in message news:ddcqmp$7m7$1@panix5.panix.com...
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>Probably. Either way, it doesn't bother me. But that doesn't mean I'm not
>serious about the discussion... :-)
.... and any more sirius and you'd be... oh, never mind.
DD
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