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Purgatory, Limbo and Hell (was: Re: Making money from Java)
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| Chuck Stevens 2005-12-15, 6:55 pm |
| Bottom post. -CCS
"Oliver Wong" <owong@castortech.com> wrote in message
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> "Judson McClendon" <judmc@sunvaley0.com> wrote in message
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> This sounds very unfair (how is it their fault?), and while I don't
> expect "real life" to be nescessarily be fair, I do expect a kind and
> loving
> omniscient God to be fair.
The way I heard it in my catechisms from before Vatican II is, all other
things being equal:
If one of these Native Americans never heard of Jesus *but nonetheless never
once committed a mortal or venial sin* throughout his life, then he would be
numbered with the innocents and would spend eternity in Limbo.
If he committed only *venial* sins, he would serve time in Purgatory for
those sins before being promoted to Limbo.
If, however, he committed ANY mortal sin, when he died he'd go directly to
Hell.
The boundaries got a whole lot blurrier after Vatican II, and I hear a bunch
of theologians have asked, or are about to ask, Benedict XVI to abolish
Limbo altogether (Reuters, Nov. 30).
It's not clear what they're going to do about Purgatory, although Chapter 12
of the Second Book of Maccabees provides some strong support for the idea
(relative to the efficacy of praying for the souls of the departed), so I
suspect it's going to take some doing for the Roman Catholic theologians to
abolish that particular department of the afterlife (given that 2 Maccabees
is in the Roman Catholic canon of the Old Testament).
-Chuck Stevens
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| Oliver Wong 2005-12-15, 6:55 pm |
| "Chuck Stevens" <charles.stevens@unisys.com> wrote in message
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> I hear a bunch of theologians have asked, or are about to ask, Benedict
> XVI to abolish Limbo altogether (Reuters, Nov. 30).
I want to say "This begs the question of...", but I now know that's the
wrong usage...
In the interest of promoting lovingness and forgiveness, why not ask
Benedict to abolish Hell and Purgatory too, so that EVERYONE gets to go to
heaven? Surely that would be the most loving and forgiving action to take.
- Oliver
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| James J. Gavan 2005-12-15, 6:55 pm |
| Oliver Wong wrote:
> "Chuck Stevens" <charles.stevens@unisys.com> wrote in message
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> I want to say "This begs the question of...", but I now know that's the
> wrong usage...
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> In the interest of promoting lovingness and forgiveness, why not ask
> Benedict to abolish Hell and Purgatory too, so that EVERYONE gets to go to
> heaven? Surely that would be the most loving and forgiving action to take.
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> - Oliver
Well there are even limits to papal infallibility. Hell was around
before we got going. It was the early Christians(Catholics) who dreamed
up Purgatory - so that's OK, well give that one a shot.
Jimmy
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| In article <iFlof.1901$lv3.1543@clgrps12>,
Oliver Wong <owong@castortech.com> wrote:
>"Chuck Stevens" <charles.stevens@unisys.com> wrote in message
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> In the interest of promoting lovingness and forgiveness, why not ask
>Benedict to abolish Hell and Purgatory too, so that EVERYONE gets to go to
>heaven?
If everyone gets the same benefits, Mr Wong, it might make less sense to
be a rite-conforming, dues-paying member of the club.
DD
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| Michael Russell 2005-12-16, 6:55 pm |
| docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
>In article <iFlof.1901$lv3.1543@clgrps12>,
>Oliver Wong <owong@castortech.com> wrote:
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>If everyone gets the same benefits, Mr Wong, it might make less sense to
>be a rite-conforming, dues-paying member of the club.
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Ah. We have a choice?
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| In article <43a34330$0$434$ed9e5944@text-readers.news.pipex.net>,
Michael Russell <Michael.Russell@msn.com> wrote:
>docdwarf@panix.com wrote:
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>Ah. We have a choice?
As I understand that free-will stuff folks talk about... maybe so!
DD
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| Michael Wojcik 2005-12-17, 6:55 pm |
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In article <dnsnea$1gcb$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com>, "Chuck Stevens" <charles.stevens@unisys.com> writes:
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> The boundaries got a whole lot blurrier after Vatican II, and I hear a bunch
> of theologians have asked, or are about to ask, Benedict XVI to abolish
> Limbo altogether (Reuters, Nov. 30).
Ooh! Dibs on the pool table.
--
Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@microfocus.com
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| Pete Dashwood 2005-12-18, 7:55 am |
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"Michael Wojcik" <mwojcik@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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> In article <dnsnea$1gcb$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com>, "Chuck Stevens"
> <charles.stevens@unisys.com> writes:
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> Ooh! Dibs on the pool table.
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Just like the Mikado's pool table, the cloths are untrue and the cues are
twisted, not to mention elliptical balls. It's all part of the punishment...
:-)
Pete.
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