Home > Archive > Clipper > January 2006 > Converting Clipper 87 application to Windows-based app??? xHarbour?
You are viewing an archived Text-only version of the thread.
To view this thread in it's original format and/or if you want to reply to
this thread please [click here]
| Author |
Converting Clipper 87 application to Windows-based app??? xHarbour?
|
|
| Don Walker 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| I have been debating about converting an old Clipper 87 application to
either:
1. .NET, Java, Fox Pro, etc
2. Alaska, xHarbour or some Windows based version of Clipper.
I was told it would be cheaper to covert to a windows version like
Alaska or xHarbour. The problem is finding developers. I usually look
for people on RentACoder, Guru, etc.
Would it be cheaper to go this direction but who would support it?
How do I find Alaska/xHarbour developers? I can find tons of .NET or
Delphi or Java people.
I emailed the guys in Germany who made Clipper tools and they also do
consulting and they never responded. Another choice might be myrick
consulting.
Any ideas? Would converting really be a lot easier with xHarbour or
Alaska? I have all the code.
| |
| Marek Horodyski 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Uzytkownik "Don Walker" <kenmartining@yahoo.ca> napisal w wiadomosci
news:1136516091.867094.261270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>I have been debating about converting an old Clipper 87 application to
> either:
> 1. .NET, Java, Fox Pro, etc
> 2. Alaska, xHarbour or some Windows based version of Clipper.
>
> I was told it would be cheaper to covert to a windows version like
> Alaska or xHarbour. The problem is finding developers. I usually look
> for people on RentACoder, Guru, etc.
>
> Would it be cheaper to go this direction but who would support it?
>
> How do I find Alaska/xHarbour developers? I can find tons of .NET or
> Delphi or Java people.
>
> I emailed the guys in Germany who made Clipper tools and they also do
> consulting and they never responded. Another choice might be myrick
> consulting.
>
> Any ideas? Would converting really be a lot easier with xHarbour or
> Alaska? I have all the code.
>
Can you send to my zipped source of this program ?
I try prepare aplication in xHarbour.
Regards,
Marek Horodyski (from Poland, it is near :)
| |
| Massimo Bighelli 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Hi Don,
In the Italian NG there are some xHarbour users, all from old clipper
time...
try contact one of them...
Max Bighelli
ARCA Sistemi S.r.l.
"Don Walker" <kenmartining@yahoo.ca> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:1136516091.867094.261270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> I have been debating about converting an old Clipper 87 application to
> either:
> 1. .NET, Java, Fox Pro, etc
> 2. Alaska, xHarbour or some Windows based version of Clipper.
>
> I was told it would be cheaper to covert to a windows version like
> Alaska or xHarbour. The problem is finding developers. I usually look
> for people on RentACoder, Guru, etc.
>
> Would it be cheaper to go this direction but who would support it?
>
> How do I find Alaska/xHarbour developers? I can find tons of .NET or
> Delphi or Java people.
>
> I emailed the guys in Germany who made Clipper tools and they also do
> consulting and they never responded. Another choice might be myrick
> consulting.
>
> Any ideas? Would converting really be a lot easier with xHarbour or
> Alaska? I have all the code.
>
| |
| Massimo Bighelli 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| missing...
it.compl.lang.vo-clipper
"Massimo Bighelli" <info_@_arcasistemi.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:43be58b7$0$1069$4fafbaef@reader4.news.tin.it...
> Hi Don,
> In the Italian NG there are some xHarbour users, all from old clipper
> time...
> try contact one of them...
> Max Bighelli
> ARCA Sistemi S.r.l.
>
>
> "Don Walker" <kenmartining@yahoo.ca> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:1136516091.867094.261270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
| |
| Norman Perelson 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
|
"Don Walker" <kenmartining@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1136516091.867094.261270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>I have been debating about converting an old Clipper 87 application to
> either:
> 1. .NET, Java, Fox Pro, etc
> 2. Alaska, xHarbour or some Windows based version of Clipper.
>
> I was told it would be cheaper to covert to a windows version like
> Alaska or xHarbour. The problem is finding developers. I usually look
> for people on RentACoder, Guru, etc.
>
> Would it be cheaper to go this direction but who would support it?
>
> How do I find Alaska/xHarbour developers? I can find tons of .NET or
> Delphi or Java people.
>
> I emailed the guys in Germany who made Clipper tools and they also do
> consulting and they never responded. Another choice might be myrick
> consulting.
>
> Any ideas? Would converting really be a lot easier with xHarbour or
> Alaska? I have all the code.
>
Hi Don,
Have a look at Visual FlagShip.
It almost magically converts Clipper textual code into a 32-bit Windows (or
Linux/Unix) GUI application.
You can learn more and download a free 30-day trial from
http://www.fship.com.
Regards
Norman
--
Norman Perelson
http://www.shopkeeper.co.za
| |
| RodDaSilva 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Don
If you (or any one else) are serious about automatically porting any
size Clipper application to .Net then please get in touch with me
privately (RodDaSilva_at_SoftwarePerspectives.com).
I have a technical "no touch" approach I believe will interest you.
Rod
Don Walker wrote:
> I have been debating about converting an old Clipper 87 application to
> either:
> 1. .NET, Java, Fox Pro, etc
> 2. Alaska, xHarbour or some Windows based version of Clipper.
>
> I was told it would be cheaper to covert to a windows version like
> Alaska or xHarbour. The problem is finding developers. I usually look
> for people on RentACoder, Guru, etc.
>
> Would it be cheaper to go this direction but who would support it?
>
> How do I find Alaska/xHarbour developers? I can find tons of .NET or
> Delphi or Java people.
>
> I emailed the guys in Germany who made Clipper tools and they also do
> consulting and they never responded. Another choice might be myrick
> consulting.
>
> Any ideas? Would converting really be a lot easier with xHarbour or
> Alaska? I have all the code.
| |
| BillyBob 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Hi Don,
Don't waste your time with obscure badly supported products. Move to .Net
like everyone else doing. Lots of support, programmers, jobs, features,
etc. You'll thank yourself in the long run.
Good luck.
"Don Walker" <kenmartining@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1136516091.867094.261270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>I have been debating about converting an old Clipper 87 application to
> either:
> 1. .NET, Java, Fox Pro, etc
> 2. Alaska, xHarbour or some Windows based version of Clipper.
>
> I was told it would be cheaper to covert to a windows version like
> Alaska or xHarbour. The problem is finding developers. I usually look
> for people on RentACoder, Guru, etc.
>
> Would it be cheaper to go this direction but who would support it?
>
> How do I find Alaska/xHarbour developers? I can find tons of .NET or
> Delphi or Java people.
>
> I emailed the guys in Germany who made Clipper tools and they also do
> consulting and they never responded. Another choice might be myrick
> consulting.
>
> Any ideas? Would converting really be a lot easier with xHarbour or
> Alaska? I have all the code.
>
| |
| Ron Pinkas 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| BillyBob
> Don't waste your time with obscure badly supported products.
Why being offensive toward products that you obviously have no personal
experience with? Otherwise please post specifics to support such statements.
Ron
| |
| BillyBob 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| It's not offensive. It's the truth. Why would anyone take the time to move
from Clipper to another obscure product like XBase++, VO, xHarbour, etc.
Move to .Net and be done with it. I realize that you have a bias, but
xharbour just doesn't have a huge market share. That's a fact.
Sorry that the truth offends you.
"Ron Pinkas" <Ron@remove-this.xharbour.com> wrote in message
news:aCzvf.4715$ZA5.2423@fed1read05...
> BillyBob
>
>
> Why being offensive toward products that you obviously have no personal
> experience with? Otherwise please post specifics to support such
> statements.
>
> Ron
>
| |
| pete@nospam.demon.co.uk 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| In article <QByvf.30206$km.13058@edtnps89> BillyBob@yahoo.ca "BillyBob" writes:
> Hi Don,
>
> Don't waste your time with obscure badly supported products. Move to .Net
> like everyone else doing. Lots of support, programmers, jobs, features,
> etc. You'll thank yourself in the long run.
And get yourself locked into BillyWare? Were I in the same
position I'd investigate the [x]Harbour route first and keep my
options open...
Pete
--
"We have not inherited the earth from our ancestors,
we have borrowed it from our descendants."
| |
| Erik Visser 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Hi Jamie, how are you doing?
Erik
The IP address 142.179.217.45 leads us to Talus Technologies.
And look who's there:
<snip>
We've hired a lead software engineer
Talus Technologies is pleased to welcome Jamie Macleod to the position of
Lead Software Engineer. We were impressed with Jamie's combination of
technical skills and real-world development expertise - an excellent blend
with Talus' development philosophy. Jamie's ten years of experience building
mission critical applications in the oil and gas sector will contribute
significantly to Talus' skill set and growth potential.
</snip>
"BillyBob" <BillyBob@yahoo.ca> schreef in bericht
news:QByvf.30206$km.13058@edtnps89...
> Hi Don,
>
> Don't waste your time with obscure badly supported products. Move to .Net
> like everyone else doing. Lots of support, programmers, jobs, features,
> etc. You'll thank yourself in the long run.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> "Don Walker" <kenmartining@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:1136516091.867094.261270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
| |
| BillyBob 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Hey that's pretty good. All you would have to do is browse the archives
though. <g>
"Erik Visser" <evisser@spamkillerwilg.nl> wrote in message
news:4281v3F1h7gfpU1@individual.net...
> Hi Jamie, how are you doing?
>
> Erik
>
>
>
> The IP address 142.179.217.45 leads us to Talus Technologies.
> And look who's there:
>
>
> <snip>
> We've hired a lead software engineer
> Talus Technologies is pleased to welcome Jamie Macleod to the position of
> Lead Software Engineer. We were impressed with Jamie's combination of
> technical skills and real-world development expertise - an excellent blend
> with Talus' development philosophy. Jamie's ten years of experience
> building mission critical applications in the oil and gas sector will
> contribute significantly to Talus' skill set and growth potential.
> </snip>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "BillyBob" <BillyBob@yahoo.ca> schreef in bericht
> news:QByvf.30206$km.13058@edtnps89...
>
>
| |
| Ron Pinkas 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| > It's not offensive. It's the truth. Why would anyone take the time to
> move from Clipper to another obscure product like XBase++, VO, xHarbour,
> etc.
Had you been sincerley intrested in an answer (i.e. remove the word
"obscure" above) you'd find numerous very good reasons.
> Move to .Net and be done with it. I realize that you have a bias, but
> xharbour just doesn't have a huge market share. That's a fact.
>
> Sorry that the truth offends you.
Glad to know that market share is the only argument you got.
Ron
| |
|
| Jamie,
Wouldn't your new employer just jump with joy if he knew that you're wasting
time here ?
Go impress your new boss, you're not impressing us here.
Oh yeah, and hiding behind BillyBob is very pathetic.
Steph
"BillyBob" <BillyBob@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:loAvf.54142$AP5.46919@edtnps84...
> Hey that's pretty good. All you would have to do is browse the archives
> though. <g>
>
> "Erik Visser" <evisser@spamkillerwilg.nl> wrote in message
> news:4281v3F1h7gfpU1@individual.net...
of[color=darkred]
blend[color=darkred]
look[color=darkred]
>
>
| |
| Ron Pinkas 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| > Your right. I'm not that interested in answers related to xHarbour. Why
> did you think I was?
1. Because you *should* be interested in having your facts right, before
offering advice.
2. Because you are posting your messages, *here* in this forum.
[BTW, isn't this forum even more obscure (by your standards) than xHarbour?]
Ron
| |
| Will Chapman 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| BillyBob wrote:
> It's not offensive. It's the truth.
It was offensive. You obviously have an
issue with/against VO/CA/Grafx or whatever.
..
>Why would anyone take the time
> to move from Clipper to another obscure product like XBase++, VO,
> xHarbour, etc. Move to .Net and be done with it.
...perhaps because there are better options...?
> I realize that you
> have a bias,
Seems to me that you are the one with a bias.....
>--
Cheers.......
Will Chapman
| |
| Rene J. Pajaron 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Jamie is afraid to show his real name because of the dubious nature of
his mission to : to destroy VO at all cost. With company of Graham,
they are the happy and pathetic cowards--afraid to move on and be
forgotten....
Rene J. Pajaron
Ayon kay Steph:[color=darkred]
> Jamie,
>
> Wouldn't your new employer just jump with joy if he knew that you're wasting
> time here ?
> Go impress your new boss, you're not impressing us here.
>
> Oh yeah, and hiding behind BillyBob is very pathetic.
>
> Steph
>
> "BillyBob" <BillyBob@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:loAvf.54142$AP5.46919@edtnps84...
> of
> blend
> look
| |
| BillyBob 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| > 1. Because you *should* be interested in having your facts right, before
> offering advice.
What facts about xHarbour specifically did I get wrong. I was origionally
talking in general about all the xbase alternatives. I don't know anything
about xHarbour. I believe xHarbour is obscure and I believe that is a fact.
You don't think this is a fact. That's okay.
I repeat. Obscure is not a nasty word.
I repeat. Do you think xHarbour is not obscure?
> 2. Because you are posting your messages, *here* in this forum.
>
> [BTW, isn't this forum even more obscure (by your standards) than
> xHarbour?]
I'm not sure what your point is here. I was replying to a poster who cross
posted on 3 forumns.
| |
| rtr - www.tdoc.net 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Don
Please get in touch with me.
We are currently looking for this type of project having just completed
one.
regards
richard townsend-rose
www.tdoc.net
| |
| AUGE_OHR 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| hi,
> I have been debating about converting an old Clipper 87 application to
> either:
> 2. Alaska, xHarbour or some Windows based version of Clipper.
using Alaskaīs Xbase++ i can help
> I was told it would be cheaper to covert to a windows version like
> Alaska or xHarbour. The problem is finding developers. I usually look
> for people on RentACoder, Guru, etc.
where did you live ?
> How do I find Alaska/xHarbour developers?
Xbase++ at http://www.alaska-software.com/
they have a very good Newsgroup
> I emailed the guys in Germany who made Clipper tools and they also do
> consulting and they never responded. Another choice might be myrick
> consulting.
if you live in Germany perhapīs i can help you ?
> Any ideas? Would converting really be a lot easier with xHarbour or
> Alaska? I have all the code.
both are 99,9999% compatible to Cl*pper
....without price calculation : Xbase++ ... :)
greetings by OHR
Jimmy
| |
| AUGE_OHR 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| hi,
> Don't waste your time with obscure badly supported products.
> Move to .Net like everyone else doing. Lots of support, programmers,
> jobs, features, etc. You'll thank yourself in the long run.
Did you ever work with Cl*pper ?
If someone still use a old Clipper 87 the are very limited to all those
M$ Windows "Futures" like DLL, OCX ... .NET ... and most of that
they never need for Database operation < 2GB
What User with Cl*pper Application like to have is a "better communication"
to M$ Windows like using Printer, Fax, Email etc.
I use Xbase++ to build a "Application Frame" around my old Cl*pper
source and port it into 32-bit. i can still use all my "business logic" and
have a full working DOS-Cl*pper Version as Backup.
(boot from Floppy/CD/USB, using RAMDisk and connect to Novell Server)
so we can work (input/edit data) even when M$ Windows break down.
can you do that with .NET ?
greetings by OHR
Jimmy
| |
| Erik Visser 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
|
"BillyBob" <BillyBob@yahoo.ca> schreef in bericht
news:loAvf.54142$AP5.46919@edtnps84...
> Hey that's pretty good.
Thanks, but pretty easy.
> All you would have to do is browse the archives though. <g>
Yes, sure.
When my little son plays hide and s and is found, he also always says he
wasn't hiding.
Erik
>
> "Erik Visser" <evisser@spamkillerwilg.nl> wrote in message
> news:4281v3F1h7gfpU1@individual.net...
>
>
| |
| BillyBob 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| Yes. I was supporting a Clipper app until about 3 years ago. I converted a
major application from Clipper to VO and then to .Net.
"AUGE_OHR" <AUGE_OHR_NOSPAM_@CSI.COM> wrote in message
news:dpo19c$98v$03$1@news.t-online.com...
> hi,
>
>
> Did you ever work with Cl*pper ?
>
> If someone still use a old Clipper 87 the are very limited to all those
> M$ Windows "Futures" like DLL, OCX ... .NET ... and most of that
> they never need for Database operation < 2GB
>
> What User with Cl*pper Application like to have is a "better
> communication"
> to M$ Windows like using Printer, Fax, Email etc.
>
> I use Xbase++ to build a "Application Frame" around my old Cl*pper
> source and port it into 32-bit. i can still use all my "business logic"
> and
> have a full working DOS-Cl*pper Version as Backup.
> (boot from Floppy/CD/USB, using RAMDisk and connect to Novell Server)
>
> so we can work (input/edit data) even when M$ Windows break down.
>
> can you do that with .NET ?
>
> greetings by OHR
> Jimmy
>
>
| |
| E. Fridman 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| <<< I converted a major application from Clipper to VO and then to
..Net. >>>
CULE?
| |
| BillyBob 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| C#. CULE looks interesting. It didn't exist when I converted.
Unless I am mistaken CULE would be a rewrite as well. You would be better
to use C# and get all the support inherent with it. If you are a serious VO
programmer you won't have any trouble picking up C#
"E. Fridman" <pm771.am@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136655202.804468.113550@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> <<< I converted a major application from Clipper to VO and then to
> .Net. >>>
>
> CULE?
>
| |
| E. Fridman 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| <<< I converted a major application from Clipper to VO and then to
..Net. >>>
CULE?
| |
| E. Fridman 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| <<< I converted a major application from Clipper to VO and then to
..Net. >>>
CULE?
| |
| Sherlock 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
|
C# is a total rewrite and the alternatives either CULE or VULCAN will
allow this to be a lot less painful. Well thats the promise.
Surely a language syntax and style from one or both will make the
transition smoother than a "phoenix from the ashes concept" which C#
offers. As .NET languages they allow their use in the .NET environment
as does using code written in C# or VB.NET as I understand it.
I have 2 C# developers and they have looked at the complexity of a
rewrite of very large VO application which would be done basically from
scratch.
I hope one or both are just the answer to this dilemna and I hope it is
smorgasborg of ideas and techniques.
For VO'ers we have never had it so good.
Phil
| |
| Dave Pearson 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
| * BillyBob <BillyBob@yahoo.ca>:
> It's not offensive. It's the truth. Why would anyone take the time to move
> from Clipper to another obscure product like XBase++, VO, xHarbour, etc.
> Move to .Net and be done with it. [SNIP]
Perhaps some people value the knowledge and experience they've already got?
Perhaps some people don't want to take time to learn new stuff? Perhaps some
people have a huge investment in a body of code that can easily be ported to
a new development environment when the environment in question is similar to
the old one? Perhaps some people like to be obscure? Perhaps some people...
It's not that hard a question to find answers for.
--
The volume of job ads reflects the number of people who quit those jobs and
are deemed replaceable by placing job ads, not the jobs people want to hold
on to.
Erik Naggum in comp.lang.lisp <3169842700891677@naggum.no>
| |
| TSDing 2006-01-10, 3:55 am |
|
> C# is a total rewrite and the alternatives either CULE or VULCAN will
> allow this to be a lot less painful. Well thats the promise.
True, there are alot of pain doing it all over in C#, but the every single
pain I experienced is worth it :)
Although I still like VO alot, but from what is happening lately I do not
see much future in it, whatever incarnated from it...
I have no more confidence. I think safer to follow go C#.
Regards
Ding
| |
|
| A lot of opinions will arise here, many colored by personal preference and
bias.
As a (long) past Clipper developer, I'd say most application styles could be
created more easily on "modern" development platforms. By this I mean the
WSIWYG arena adds a lot to the RAD process. Current platforms also have a
lot more technical support available.
However, the OP asked about porting an existing C87 application, not
developing from scratch. If products exist that can take that app and make
it usable with a look and feel of more recent GUIs, that's an important
consideration. In our shop, we have a set of apps that have been
re-engineered more than once to ensure they are on a robust, currently
supported platform. Then there are others that aren't broke, so they don't
get fixed.
I resist anyone who blankly proclaims any one platform as being superior to
another unless they know what the design and intent of the application truly
is. Not all development environments work for all types of apps - or should
I say not all are optimum for all types of apps.
Personally, if I were rewriting an app from scratch and just looking for a
coding platform, I'd go Java. Just about anything but the Borg
collective... ;-)
"Don Walker" <kenmartining@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1136516091.867094.261270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> I have been debating about converting an old Clipper 87 application to
> either:
> 1. .NET, Java, Fox Pro, etc
> 2. Alaska, xHarbour or some Windows based version of Clipper.
>
> I was told it would be cheaper to covert to a windows version like
> Alaska or xHarbour. The problem is finding developers. I usually look
> for people on RentACoder, Guru, etc.
>
> Would it be cheaper to go this direction but who would support it?
>
> How do I find Alaska/xHarbour developers? I can find tons of .NET or
> Delphi or Java people.
>
> I emailed the guys in Germany who made Clipper tools and they also do
> consulting and they never responded. Another choice might be myrick
> consulting.
>
> Any ideas? Would converting really be a lot easier with xHarbour or
> Alaska? I have all the code.
>
| |
| Clipper2VFP 2006-01-15, 7:55 am |
| Visual FoxPro is probably your best bet. The commands and functions in
Clipper 87 are about 95% identical to the same ones in VFP.
We do a lot of conversions from the old xBase languages and would be
happy to give you a quote.
Wes Wilson
www.erw.com
PS We have been in business for 25 years.
|
|
|
|
|