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Old Clipper Programmer going to Win 2000 ?
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| Hi All, I used to program in Clipper, starting with S87 thru 5.?. I
haven't messed with it in 10 years or so. I've just started a new job
and my office is in need of a tracking program to track workload.
I've done this exact thing before in filePro (Dos and Unix) and then
in Clipper. I've done quite a bit of programming in Clipper, just for
my own office projects and a few things like membership systems for
the local firehouse.
Currently at work we run Win 2000 and only have Access/Excel
available. I've spent some time trying to do this project in Access
but my brain still thinks dBase and Clipper.
My question is; what is good to go with to be able to code like
Clipper and run under Windows. This is not to make money, just to
make life easier. I've browsed the harbor and xharbor sites and am a
little  as to which to pick up.
Sorry for the long message - A pointer or two in the right direction
would be appreciated.
Moe
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| Frank Demont 2005-10-04, 7:55 am |
| Take a look at 'xharbour'
http://www.xharbour.com/ (comercial)
or
http://www.xharbour.org/
Frank
"Les" <Moe@com_cast_net> schreef in bericht
news:p6p4k11rdeppdrt44b1ssac9qtg72uk7ru@
4ax.com...
> Hi All, I used to program in Clipper, starting with S87 thru 5.?. I
> haven't messed with it in 10 years or so. I've just started a new job
> and my office is in need of a tracking program to track workload.
>
> I've done this exact thing before in filePro (Dos and Unix) and then
> in Clipper. I've done quite a bit of programming in Clipper, just for
> my own office projects and a few things like membership systems for
> the local firehouse.
>
> Currently at work we run Win 2000 and only have Access/Excel
> available. I've spent some time trying to do this project in Access
> but my brain still thinks dBase and Clipper.
>
> My question is; what is good to go with to be able to code like
> Clipper and run under Windows. This is not to make money, just to
> make life easier. I've browsed the harbor and xharbor sites and am a
> little as to which to pick up.
>
> Sorry for the long message - A pointer or two in the right direction
> would be appreciated.
>
> Moe
>
>
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| Ross McKenzie 2005-10-04, 6:55 pm |
| On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:28:58 -0400, Les <Moe@com_cast_net> wrote:
>Hi All, I used to program in Clipper, starting with S87 thru 5.?. I
>haven't messed with it in 10 years or so. I've just started a new job
>and my office is in need of a tracking program to track workload.
>
>I've done this exact thing before in filePro (Dos and Unix) and then
>in Clipper. I've done quite a bit of programming in Clipper, just for
>my own office projects and a few things like membership systems for
>the local firehouse.
>
>Currently at work we run Win 2000 and only have Access/Excel
>available. I've spent some time trying to do this project in Access
>but my brain still thinks dBase and Clipper.
>
>My question is; what is good to go with to be able to code like
>Clipper and run under Windows. This is not to make money, just to
>make life easier. I've browsed the harbor and xharbor sites and am a
>little as to which to pick up.
>
>Sorry for the long message - A pointer or two in the right direction
>would be appreciated.
>
>Moe
>
>
Hi Les,
I suspect that you will receive a number of "religious"
replies...including mine.
You have the choice of console applications or GUI applications.
Console will look like the original Clipper but be a 32 bit
application. GUI will look as nice or ugly as you make it. In both
situations you will probably use the free of cost Borland C++ ver
5.5.1 compiler with either Harbour or the free of cost xHarbour (from
the .org site). The commercial xHarbour has its own compiler.
In both cases (console and GUI), I recommend that you use the xMate
project manager which incorporates an excellent editor and, using one
of its setup files, can be used to build and run your project from the
one screen.
If you want to go GUI, one option is to use the free of cost MiniGUI
library. It has an active newsgroup, many of whom are ex or current
Clipper programmers. The package has a very extensive set of sample
files....you will recognise a lot of the code as Clipperish. Only the
on-screen stuff needs a different approach, but there is an included
designer that makes that part easier also.
Yell out if you want any more.
Regards,
Ross McKenzie
ValuSoft
Melbourne Australia
valusoft AT optusnet DOT com DOT au
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| LHSoft@gmail.com 2005-10-04, 6:55 pm |
| Hi Les, an other old Clipperhead here,
As Ross said, you'll get a lot of religious answers, so mine is short.
If You go the xHarbour way, you can find links to most of the things
you need on my xHarbour/Minigui page at
http://www.the-holms.org/xharbourgb.htm
Cheers,
Lasse
Les wrote:
> Hi All, I used to program in Clipper, starting with S87 thru 5.?. I
> haven't messed with it in 10 years or so. I've just started a new job
> and my office is in need of a tracking program to track workload.
>
> I've done this exact thing before in filePro (Dos and Unix) and then
> in Clipper. I've done quite a bit of programming in Clipper, just for
> my own office projects and a few things like membership systems for
> the local firehouse.
>
> Currently at work we run Win 2000 and only have Access/Excel
> available. I've spent some time trying to do this project in Access
> but my brain still thinks dBase and Clipper.
>
> My question is; what is good to go with to be able to code like
> Clipper and run under Windows. This is not to make money, just to
> make life easier. I've browsed the harbor and xharbor sites and am a
> little as to which to pick up.
>
> Sorry for the long message - A pointer or two in the right direction
> would be appreciated.
>
> Moe
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| Les,
This kind of software has been done a thousand times, I know cause I
have written about a dozen of them. Why re-invent the wheel? Have you
looked for good shareware or freeware to do this?
Mike
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| Les,
Another suggestion is Visual Objects - bit of a learning curve, but you can
still use .dbfs and indexes etc. and still mostly uses the existing language
but woth OOP extensions.
HTH
--
Rob Grattan
R&D Software, Australia
robGETRIDOFTHIS@ANDTHISrndsoftware.com.au
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| Thanks guys I will follow-up on this info.
As for "re-inventing the wheel" I did look around for some programs,
but nothing I looked at had definable fields, maybe I looked in the
wrong place. I need to track about 25 fields or more.
Les
On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:28:58 -0400, Les <Moe@com_cast_net> wrote:
>Hi All, I used to program in Clipper, starting with S87 thru 5.?. I
>haven't messed with it in 10 years or so. I've just started a new job
>and my office is in need of a tracking program to track workload.
>
>I've done this exact thing before in filePro (Dos and Unix) and then
>in Clipper. I've done quite a bit of programming in Clipper, just for
>my own office projects and a few things like membership systems for
>the local firehouse.
>
>Currently at work we run Win 2000 and only have Access/Excel
>available. I've spent some time trying to do this project in Access
>but my brain still thinks dBase and Clipper.
>
>My question is; what is good to go with to be able to code like
>Clipper and run under Windows. This is not to make money, just to
>make life easier. I've browsed the harbor and xharbor sites and am a
>little as to which to pick up.
>
>Sorry for the long message - A pointer or two in the right direction
>would be appreciated.
>
>Moe
>
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| Turan Fettahoglu 2005-10-05, 3:55 am |
| > Another suggestion is Visual Objects - bit of a learning curve, but you
> can
> still use .dbfs and indexes etc. and still mostly uses the existing
> language
> but woth OOP extensions.
Will I be locked out from the newsgroup if I recommend Visual Foxpro 9.0
from M$?
Turan
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| Antonio Linares 2005-10-05, 3:55 am |
| Les,
Have a look at FiveWin (www.fivetechsoft.com) You will continue using your
Clipper, reusing your code, and just learning the FiveWin (Windows GUI)
library. There is a free functional demo you may download from there.
regards,
Antonio
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I take it with all these different options you still need the Clipper
compiler?
I spent about an hour last night looking for my copies. I think they
may have went to the trash after a water heater blew a few years back
and flooded the basement. I'll have to look on my old hard drives and
see if it's there. It would have been an old 5.? version anyways.
Les
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I take it with all these different options you still need the Clipper
compiler?
I spent about an hour last night looking for my copies. I think they
may have went to the trash after a water heater blew a few years back
and flooded the basement. I'll have to look on my old hard drives and
see if it's there. It would have been an old 5.? version anyways.
Les
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Moe,
> I take it with all these different options you still need the Clipper
> compiler?
No, Harbour and xHarbour actually translate your xBase code into C which is
then compiled using a C compiler.
Regards,
James
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| No, but I would suggest that Foxpro 2.6 is a better match for
"what is good to go with to be able to code like
Clipper and run under Windows?".
Mike
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| Markus Wiederstein 2005-10-05, 6:55 pm |
| Am Wed, 05 Oct 2005 03:00:43 +0200 hat Les <Moe@com_cast_net> geschrieben:
> Thanks guys I will follow-up on this info.
>
> As for "re-inventing the wheel" I did look around for some programs,
> but nothing I looked at had definable fields, maybe I looked in the
> wrong place. I need to track about 25 fields or more.
>
> Les
>
You may wanna look at http://en.combit.net/page1226.aspx
-Markus
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| mickeyg 2005-10-05, 6:55 pm |
| I recommand delphi
I tried all and settle on Delphi. I f you like clipper you will like delphi
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| In article <4MS0f.2525$xE1.1777@okepread07>, James wrote:
> No, Harbour and xHarbour actually translate your xBase code into C which is
> then compiled using a C compiler.
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Are Harbour and xHarbour the same ?
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Using Clipper 5.2e, Blinker , TextPad, PageScript
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| R. Totale 2005-10-06, 6:55 pm |
| On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 13:17:41 GMT, "Patrick Mast, xHarbour.com Inc."
< To_Contact_Me_Use_Online_Contact_Form@Pa
trick.Mast.xHarbour.com>
wrote:
>Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have more questions or comments
>regarding xHarbour.
I would like to offer a comment. I have been using Clipper for many
years. My needs are simple - I maintain a number of small, card file
sized databases on single machines for business purposes - the largest
having perhaps 4000 small records. Many years back I went to Borland's
C++ Builder to create Windows entry screens, but I have a backlog of
little utilities I have written in Clipper over the course of many
years to extract or manipulate the data within the files, and end up
writing new short routines (1 page or less of code) a couple of times
a month in the course of things, many of which are single purpose
deals which get thrown away once they've run. Clipper has served me
well for this, I have the language features I commonly use memorized,
and things always run quickly enough.
A couple of times over the years I've gotten an itch to go try out
xHarbour (or Harbour), thinking that one of these days some version of
Windows will come along which won't run 16-bit DOS programs, or maybe
some of my more complicated stuff might run faster. Every time, I
have been stymied by the lack of a simple document covering xHarbour
installation and configuration. It should provide simple, clear
instructions for a new user, from unpacking the downloaded
distribution, through where to place the various include files, how to
configure xHarbour to call the already installed C compiler on my
machine (in my case, the one included with C++ Builder), right through
the creation, compilation and testing of a "Hello World" executable
file. Preferably, the process will be batch file based (like the
cl.bat which came with Clipper) rather than Make file or hbmake based
- I've never written a make file in 15+ years and don't want to start
now. I want to follow these simple configuration instructions, type
hbl <filename>
and have a working exe I can run. Perhaps this document already
exists, but I've never found it, and as a busy and casual user am
disinclined to spend even a half a day trying to figure it all out
myself.
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| I found my old clipper files on a CD last night. The files below would
not extract, so I'll have to see if I can find them elsewhere.
Lib\Clipper.Lib 3-25-1995 5:24 am
Lib\Grump52.Lib 4-28-1994 4:03 am
PLL\Base50.PLL
PLL\Base50.PLT
I know that clipper.lib is needed and also grum52.lib if I use any of
those routines but what about the base50.pll and .plt ?
My Blinker is version 3.10 dated 12-7-94, is there any patches I
should get for this?
I still need to find my old .BAT files that I use to compile with, then
try to start remebering all of this. I figure once I get back into the
swing of clipper, I can then branch out to (X)Harbour or whatever I
migrate to.
Thanks for everyones help, and stand by for more questions.
Les
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m>, wrote:
> xHarbour started as a fork of Harbour. See
> http://www.xharbour.org/index.asp?page=about/index
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> xHarbour also has a commercial distribution available which needs NO extra C
> compiler or any other tool. See http://www.xHarbour.com for more details. A
> FREE demo is available from http://www.xHarbour.com/DEMO
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Many thanks for your quick answer. In fact I was looking for a simple GUI
interface for Clipper and find MiniGui.
On the web side form MiniGui they are proposing Harbour that was the raison of
my question.
And I'm a old Clipper programmer and have some problem do move to OOP!
Regards
Otto
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Using Clipper 5.2e, Blinker , TextPad, PageScript
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