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| Any suggestions on where to find employers of APL developers in/near
London these days?
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| By my knowledge there are no such people as "APL developers";
people are engineers, financial analysts, actuaries, statisticians,
crystallographers, demographers, meteorologists, astronomers,
biologists, &c &c and they're using APL to solve their problems ...
at least, in all those 20 or 30 years I never met a professional APL
developer.
"folic" <AA2e72E@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Any suggestions on where to find employers of APL developers in/near
> London these days?
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| Jane Sullivan 2007-11-28, 6:58 pm |
| In message
<b5919877-8e36-42fa-89cf-05009f299a9a@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
folic <AA2e72E@lycos.co.uk> writes
>Any suggestions on where to find employers of APL developers in/near
>London these days?
London, Ontario?
London, England?
or any one of the other Londons around the world?
--
Jane Sullivan
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| On Nov 28, 10:11 pm, "jk" <*a...@planet.nl> wrote:
> By my knowledge there are no such people as "APL developers";
> people are engineers, financial analysts, actuaries, statisticians,
> crystallographers, demographers, meteorologists, astronomers,
> biologists, &c &c and they're using APL to solve their problems ...
> at least, in all those 20 or 30 years I never met a professional APL
> developer.
We have'nt met than. I consider myself as a pure APL programmar. I
have lots of skills in many other areas, but I am neither an expert
nor a professional in these areas.
Instead, I am defenitly an expert in APL.
Futhermore, I am not the only one as I know for sure.
Kai Jaeger
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| Morten Kromberg 2007-11-29, 3:58 am |
| On Nov 28, 11:11 pm, "jk" <*a...@planet.nl> wrote:
> By my knowledge there are no such people as "APL developers";
> people are engineers, financial analysts, actuaries, statisticians,
> crystallographers, demographers, meteorologists, astronomers,
> biologists, &c &c and they're using APL to solve their problems ...
> at least, in all those 20 or 30 years I never met a professional APL
> developer.
I think this is a bit of an exaggeration... While MOST users of APL
probably fit the description, there ARE quite a few professional APL
programmers who have specialised in knowing a bit less about the
subject matter and a bit more about programming and "IT" - and
providing tools or support to the "real APL users". Some of these
"professional APL programmers" originally had one of the specialities
that you mention, some actually studied Computer Science, and some
(like me) were swept away by APL before they managed to get close to
completing a "higher eduation" :-)
Today, there are many companies - large and small - who deliver
products based on APL, and these companies usually have professional
programmers (using APL and various other complementary languages and
technologies), to look after security, database interfaces, user
interfaces, etc...
Generally speaking, it is quite hard to hire these people who bridge
the gap between APLers and IT, as the ones who manage to stay up-to-
date with technology are usually very busy.
Morten
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| aleph0 2007-11-29, 7:57 am |
| Morton,
I'd agree with you !
.... and I would also add this :
Good APL'ers "quite often" become more of an expert on the subject
matter than the professionals themselves. I have many "own" cases
witnessing this as well as very many from other good APL'ers I know.
In some cases, I've even witnessed that the end-user actually lacked
the abstract capability to grasp the full extent of what was being
explained to him. In other cases, it has been APL'ers that have
actually taught the "professional" about the subject matter ( a
certain large Bank customer comes to mind , and that's just one
example ).
What  dens me somewhat is the fact that APL, A+, J , K etc. etc. are
still deemed "exotic" languages by the traditional IT people as they
continue to remain "somewhat brain dead" in their approach to
applications development. I suppose we (APL'ers) are a risk to their
existance in many cases !
( I remember writing a production-ready multiuser system for a
Chemical Co. in 1 man-month where their own IT Dept. had already
expended 288 man-months and still weren't finished ;-)... ( 2 yrs. x
12 months x 12 staff )
My nephew finished his Degree in Nuclear Physics at 21 and is now
doing IT and SQL with an insurance company. I've thus given him an
insight into why he's so bored and frustrated (his words) working in a
bog-standard IT department by offering to aquire for him one of the
excellent APLs available on the market ( APLX and Dyadic in
particular ) as well as an A+ CD in case he really wants to have fun
at the risk of becoming yet another lone wolf amongst a massive herd
of IT sheep !
;-)
On Nov 29, 10:21 am, Morten Kromberg <mk...@dyalog.com> wrote:
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> I think this is a bit of an exaggeration... While MOST users of APL
> probably fit the description, there ARE quite a few professional APL
> programmers who have specialised in knowing a bit less about the
> subject matter and a bit more about programming and "IT" - and
> providing tools or support to the "real APL users". Some of these
> "professional APL programmers" originally had one of the specialities
> that you mention, some actually studied Computer Science, and some
> (like me) were swept away by APL before they managed to get close to
> completing a "higher eduation" :-)
>
> Today, there are many companies - large and small - who deliver
> products based on APL, and these companies usually have professional
> programmers (using APL and various other complementary languages and
> technologies), to look after security, database interfaces, user
> interfaces, etc...
>
> Generally speaking, it is quite hard to hire these people who bridge
> the gap between APLers and IT, as the ones who manage to stay up-to-
> date with technology are usually very busy.
>
> Morten
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"aleph0" <apl68000@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Morton,
> I'd agree with you !
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>
> ... and I would also add this :
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> My nephew finished his Degree in Nuclear Physics at 21 and is now
> doing IT and SQL with an insurance company.
[snipped]
.... then, it's true
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| kai wrote:
> On Nov 28, 10:11 pm, "jk" <*a...@planet.nl> wrote:
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> We have'nt met than. I consider myself as a pure APL programmar. I
> have lots of skills in many other areas, but I am neither an expert
> nor a professional in these areas.
> Instead, I am defenitly an expert in APL.
>
> Futhermore, I am not the only one as I know for sure.
>
> Kai Jaeger
I'm another. I don't call myself a "computer" programmer, I call myself
an APL programmer, and that's what I do professionally. In the past
I've also programmed a small amount professionally in assembly language
(which I also enjoyed because it is so low-level, as opposed to APL
being so high-level).
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| Randy MacDonald 2007-11-29, 6:58 pm |
| Hello jk;
Then I would venture that you haven't met me. I have been an APL
developer for the last 20 years. So has the guy I worked with.
What distresses me is that, with the globalization that the rise of the
Internet has caused, geography is still a concern. Telecommuting is
essentially forbidden. I'm half expecting APL positions to require a
talent for operating a card punch.
"jk" <*axy*@planet.nl> wrote in news:474de78d$0$25487$ba620dc5
@text.nova.planet.nl:
> By my knowledge there are no such people as "APL developers";
> people are engineers, financial analysts, actuaries, statisticians,
> crystallographers, demographers, meteorologists, astronomers,
> biologists, &c &c and they're using APL to solve their problems ...
> at least, in all those 20 or 30 years I never met a professional APL
> developer.
>
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> "folic" <AA2e72E@lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:b5919877-8e36-42fa-89cf-
05009f299a9a@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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| Randy MacDonald 2007-11-29, 6:58 pm |
| London, England, since I used to be 50% (by headcount) of the APL expertise
in London, Ontario.
Jane Sullivan <jane@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk> wrote in news:CYPsR9efAfTHFA$6
@yddraiggoch.demon.co.uk:
> In message
> <b5919877-8e36-42fa-89cf-05009f299a9a@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> folic <AA2e72E@lycos.co.uk> writes
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> London, Ontario?
> London, England?
> or any one of the other Londons around the world?
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| Hi Randy,
.... that makes three or four of the kind.
But you're a "born APL-er" - that's making a difference ...
How are you doing, btw ?
"Randy MacDonald" <ramacd@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:Xns99F77BBC3C583ramacdnbnetnbca@66.250.146.207...
> Hello jk;
>
> Then I would venture that you haven't met me. I have been an APL
> developer for the last 20 years. So has the guy I worked with.
>
> What distresses me is that, with the globalization that the rise of the
> Internet has caused, geography is still a concern. Telecommuting is
> essentially forbidden. I'm half expecting APL positions to require a
> talent for operating a card punch.
>
>
> "jk" <*axy*@planet.nl> wrote in news:474de78d$0$25487$ba620dc5
> @text.nova.planet.nl:
>
> 05009f299a9a@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
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