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Re: JVM For windows
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| Fountain of knowledge 2004-03-27, 12:30 am |
| "Allan Bruce" <allanmb@TAKEAWAYf2s.com> wrote in message news:<c2kohu$446$1@news.freedom2surf.net>...
> well, I always used the java VM anyway, half the stuff wouldnt even run on
> the MS one. Thats probably why it was smaller and faster ;-)
but why does the Sun JVM insist on installing all the other crap? why
on earth do i need my system tray branded with the Sun Java logo? At
least the MS one was invisible. I never had problems with the MS
either.
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| Mark Preston 2004-03-27, 12:30 am |
| Fountain of knowledge wrote:
> "Allan Bruce" <allanmb@TAKEAWAYf2s.com> wrote in message news:<c2kohu$446$1@news.freedom2surf.net>...
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> but why does the Sun JVM insist on installing all the other crap? why
> on earth do i need my system tray branded with the Sun Java logo? At
> least the MS one was invisible. I never had problems with the MS
> either.
Just install the JRE and switch the console tray icon off. Then it will
be both small *and* invisible.
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Mark A. Preston
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| Fountain of knowledge 2004-03-27, 12:30 am |
| If you read the install documentation carefully, you will see that the
total footprint for the Sun JVM once installed, will be 65mb. What a
load of crap. Come back Micrsoft, Sun apologises!
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| Mark Preston 2004-03-27, 12:30 am |
| Fountain of knowledge wrote:
> If you read the install documentation carefully, you will see that the
> total footprint for the Sun JVM once installed, will be 65mb. What a
> load of crap. Come back Micrsoft, Sun apologises!
Well, given that *my* copy of the Sun JRE, complete with all
documentation, source code and libraries plus Java Webstart comes in a
total of 48.8Mb in all, I have to doubt your word somewhat.
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Mark A. Preston
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| Fountain of knowledge 2004-03-27, 12:30 am |
| Mark Preston <usenet@mpig.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c3t4a0$4n2$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>...
> Fountain of knowledge wrote:
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> Well, given that *my* copy of the Sun JRE, complete with all
> documentation, source code and libraries plus Java Webstart comes in a
> total of 48.8Mb in all, I have to doubt your word somewhat.
Then look at the dependancies for the execuatables to find the missing
DLL's. Jeez, this is simple.
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| Andrew Thompson 2004-03-27, 12:30 am |
| On 26 Mar 2004 04:38:36 -0800, Fountain of knowledge wrote:
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> Then look at the dependancies for the execuatables to find the missing
> DLL's. Jeez, this is simple.
Then DOWNLOAD and INSTALL the (friggin')
insecure, obsolete MS JVM and stop whinging!!
<http://home.wanadoo.nl/jheroen/VM/>
Jeez, this is simple.
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Andrew Thompson
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| Robert 2004-03-27, 12:30 am |
| Fountain of knowledge wrote:
> Mark Preston <usenet@mpig.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:<c3t4a0$4n2$1$830fa17d@news.demon.co.uk>...
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> Then look at the dependancies for the execuatables to find the missing
> DLL's. Jeez, this is simple.
Well, I can see that you certainly are *not* a "fountain of knowledge".
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| Fountain of knowledge 2004-03-29, 3:34 am |
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> Well, I can see that you certainly are *not* a "fountain of knowledge".
LMAO! You twat! Have you got over the fact that your mum is also your sister?
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| Mark Preston 2004-03-29, 10:36 am |
| Fountain of knowledge wrote:
> Then look at the dependancies for the execuatables to find the missing
> DLL's. Jeez, this is simple.
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DLLs are not Java.
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Mark A. Preston
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| zatoichi 2004-03-29, 1:56 pm |
| Fountain of knowledge wrote:
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> LMAO! You twat! Have you got over the fact that your mum is also your sister?
I rest my case.
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| Grant Wagner 2004-03-29, 1:56 pm |
| Mark Preston wrote:
> Fountain of knowledge wrote:
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> DLLs are not Java.
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> Mark A. Preston
GREAT! So I can delete:
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\awt.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\axbridge.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\cmm.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\dcpr.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\dt_shmem.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\dt_socket.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\eula.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\fontmanager.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\hpi.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\hprof.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\ioser12.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jaas_nt.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\java.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jawt.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jcov.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\JdbcOdbc.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jdwp.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jpeg.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jpicom32.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jpiexp32.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jpins4.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jpins6.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jpins7.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jpinsp.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jpishare.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\jsound.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\msvcrt.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\net.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\nio.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\NPJava11.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\NPJava12.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\NPJava13.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\NPJava14.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\NPJava32.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\NPJPI142_04.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\NPOJI610.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\RegUtils.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\rmi.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\verify.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\w2k_lsa_auth.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\zip.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\bin\client\jvm.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\javaws\JavaWebStart.dll
\Program Files\Java\j2re1.4.2_04\javaws\javawspl.dll
and Java will still work! Awesome! I wonder why Sun included them in the
first place if DLLs are not Java.
And yes, I know I could delete several of them and still have a functioning
JVM depending on whether or not I use the particular sub-set of
functionality provided by one or more of the DLLs listed above - or in the
case of msvcrt.dll, have it installed elsewhere. I'm just pointing out the
silliness of your statement that "DLLs are not Java" in the context of the
original argument that the JRE installation is HUGE.
As for the original 68MB figure, it's as silly as your statement. Including
the DLL dependancies in the total size of the VM isn't fair if the
dependancies are DLLs which already exist as part of the OS installation.
The JRE is the size of all files located in (by default) \Program
Files\Java, since those are the only ones required to be specifically
installed to enable Java applications to be run. On my system, \Program
Files\Java is 43,521,507 bytes (not counting cluster slack), or 45,453,312
bytes (including cluster slack).
However, this entire argument is silly, since
%SystemRoot%\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.0.3705 is 35,467,264 bytes and
%SystemRoot%\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322 is 39,075,840 bytes. Firefox
installed is 16,867,328 bytes, and it's a "simple" Web browser.
Face it, I think everyone just has to accept that HD storage requirements
will increase (and have increased) over time. Or we could all just return to
the days of PC-DOS and Lotus 1-2-3 version 2.
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| Grant Wagner <gwagner@agricoreunited.com>
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