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Re: [OT] Homework - Was Re: java programe help
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| Aki \Sus\ Laukkanen 2004-10-27, 8:57 am |
| Andrew Thompson wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:56:06 +0300, Aki "Sus" Laukkanen wrote:
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> ...hmmmm. I always had a problem with that last bit.
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> I think it is quite unproductive for people to come here with
> homework related questions and to *not* mention that it is homework.
> It can go quite badly for them if they not only do not mention,
> but then deny when challenged(*), that it is homework.
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> * Usually, as soon as it is (almost invariably) spotted.
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> That statement, as it stands, encourages the "no it's *not*
> homework" response", which gets the OP nowhere.
Bad phrasing there, I agree.
It might be better rephrased to "Trying to get help to a specific
problem with your homework project is OK, trying to get someone to just
give you the answers to homework questions or make an entire program for
you is not."
> I think we, as a group, should encourage people to
> a) mention when a problem is related to homework.
> b) ask a specific Java related question, quoting as
> little of the problem statement as necessary.
> c) demonstrate their current understanding of the
> relevent coursework.
> d) provide code samples where appropriate.
I completely agree with this.
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-Aki "Sus" Laukkanen
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| Thomas Weidenfeller 2004-10-27, 3:59 pm |
| Aki "Sus" Laukkanen wrote:
> Bad phrasing there, I agree.
> It might be better rephrased to "Trying to get help to a specific
> problem with your homework project is OK, trying to get someone to just
> give you the answers to homework questions or make an entire program for
> you is not."
Trying to get help to a specific problem with your homework is OK only
if the following conditions are met:
- You have spent some serious time to read the available
documentation (your course notes, textbook, Sun's tutorials
and API docs, etc.), you have spent some time reading previous
answers in the newsgroup and you seriously searched the net
for answers.
- You have spent some significant time to formulate a
comprehensive, precise question, in plain simple English,
without using leet-speak or slang.
- Your question demonstrates some understanding of basics and
of your coursework.
- You tell us what you did, what you expected, and what you got
instead in precise terms. "it didn't work" is not precise
information and unworthy for a student perusing some higher
education. Tell us version numbers, complete(!) error
messages, and SHOW US YOUR CODE.
- You don't ask to just give you the answers to your
homework, or to write the program for you.
- You are honest about the problem being homework-related. And
you don't hide behind alleged or real anonymous services or
nick names. Telling us the name of your university if not
apparent from your e-mail address is a bonus.
- You post to one group only (comp.lang.java.help is often the
best choice). You don't repeat your posting in this one
group or in other groups.
- You live with the answers you get, and don't go on people's
nerves, even if you don't like the answers.
- You live with the fact that you might not get any answer at
all. The people in the newsgroup owe you nothing.
- You don't try to rush things. The people in the newsgroup owe
you nothing. It might be urgent for us, it is not urgent for
us.
/Thomas
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| Todd de Gruyl 2004-10-27, 3:59 pm |
| On 2004-10-27, Thomas Weidenfeller <nobody@ericsson.invalid> wrote:
> - You don't try to rush things. The people in the newsgroup owe
> you nothing. It might be urgent for us, it is not urgent for
^^ = you
> us.
Just my two cents.
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Todd de Gruyl
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| On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:51 +0200, Thomas Weidenfeller
<nobody@ericsson.invalid> wrote:
>Aki "Sus" Laukkanen wrote:
>
>Trying to get help to a specific problem with your homework is OK only
>if the following conditions are met:
>
> - You have spent some serious time to read the available
> documentation (your course notes, textbook, Sun's tutorials
> and API docs, etc.), you have spent some time reading previous
> answers in the newsgroup and you seriously searched the net
> for answers.
>
> - You have spent some significant time to formulate a
> comprehensive, precise question, in plain simple English,
> without using leet-speak or slang.
>
> - Your question demonstrates some understanding of basics and
> of your coursework.
>
> - You tell us what you did, what you expected, and what you got
> instead in precise terms. "it didn't work" is not precise
> information and unworthy for a student perusing some higher
> education. Tell us version numbers, complete(!) error
> messages, and SHOW US YOUR CODE.
>
> - You don't ask to just give you the answers to your
> homework, or to write the program for you.
>
> - You are honest about the problem being homework-related. And
> you don't hide behind alleged or real anonymous services or
> nick names. Telling us the name of your university if not
> apparent from your e-mail address is a bonus.
>
> - You post to one group only (comp.lang.java.help is often the
> best choice). You don't repeat your posting in this one
> group or in other groups.
>
> - You live with the answers you get, and don't go on people's
> nerves, even if you don't like the answers.
>
> - You live with the fact that you might not get any answer at
> all. The people in the newsgroup owe you nothing.
>
> - You don't try to rush things. The people in the newsgroup owe
> you nothing. It might be urgent for us, it is not urgent for
> us.
adding
- Don't be upset if you are given a link to a website with the
answer. This usually means the question has been posted many times at
least. In fact, try googling your answer. You'd be surprised how many
times your question has been asked and answered.
--
now with more cowbell
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| Thomas Weidenfeller 2004-10-28, 8:58 am |
| Bryce wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:54:51 +0200, Thomas Weidenfeller
> <nobody@ericsson.invalid> wrote:
[...]
[color=darkred]
> adding
> - Don't be upset if you are given a link to a website with the
> answer. This usually means the question has been posted many times at
> least. In fact, try googling your answer. You'd be surprised how many
> times your question has been asked and answered.
I think both can be combined in one. Googeling (searching) is also
mentioned in one of my first points.
/Thomas
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