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This group still active?
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| Go_Busch 2004-06-28, 3:56 am |
| This newsgroup seems dead. Is this just a sign of the times. Are cgi-scripts
slowly being replaced by php scripting?
Personally, I hope not, then I wouldn't have a job ;-).
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| Vorxion 2004-06-28, 3:56 am |
| In article <U0MDc.22043$rn1.20531@okepread07>, Go_Busch wrote:
>This newsgroup seems dead. Is this just a sign of the times. Are cgi-scripts
>slowly being replaced by php scripting?
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>Personally, I hope not, then I wouldn't have a job ;-).
It's still alive when someone bothers to post. Whether the post is
actually in line with the purpose of the group is a point of contention. :)
PHP is eeeeevil. Read the security digests and note the ratio of perl:PHP
security exploits, both in the core base distribution, and even worse in
the area of software people write based in either. Perl is hardly -ever-
mentioned. PHP has a w ly list of 3-20 depending on the w. I'm
convinced PHP attracts poor coders. I refuse to touch it, personally.
But I use perl for a -lot- more than CGI, too.
--
Vorxion - Founder of the knocking-shop of the mind.
"You have it, you sell it, you've still got it--what's the difference?"
--Diana Trent, "Waiting for God", on why a modelling agency is really a
knocking-shop. Applied by me to the field of consulting. :)
The Sci-Fi fan's solution to debt: Reverse the polarity on your charge card.
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| Tintin 2004-06-28, 8:58 am |
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"Go_Busch" <dontgotone@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:U0MDc.22043$rn1.20531@okepread07...
> This newsgroup seems dead. Is this just a sign of the times. Are
cgi-scripts
> slowly being replaced by php scripting?
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> Personally, I hope not, then I wouldn't have a job ;-).
Still active, although the number of on-topic posts here is pretty low.
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| greger 2004-06-28, 8:58 am |
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"Vorxion" <vorxion@knockingshopofthemind.com> wrote in message
news:40dfbad6$1_1@news.iglou.com...
> In article <U0MDc.22043$rn1.20531@okepread07>, Go_Busch wrote:
cgi-scripts[color=darkred]
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> It's still alive when someone bothers to post. Whether the post is
> actually in line with the purpose of the group is a point of contention.
:)
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> PHP is eeeeevil. Read the security digests and note the ratio of perl:PHP
> security exploits, both in the core base distribution, and even worse in
> the area of software people write based in either. Perl is hardly -ever-
> mentioned. PHP has a wly list of 3-20 depending on the w. I'm
> convinced PHP attracts poor coders. I refuse to touch it, personally.
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> But I use perl for a -lot- more than CGI, too.
yeah Vorxion,
I had a glimpse at php a while ago, at first I really liked it, but getting
to the lower bits with it
slowly made me turn back to perl, which I find very funny to code after
getting aquainted with mod_perl,
mod_perl +apache is rock 'n' roll.
php may have a great coder base at this time, but in the long run perl will
conquer.
/g
--
www.gh-webinteractive.com
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> Vorxion - Founder of the knocking-shop of the mind.
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> "You have it, you sell it, you've still got it--what's the difference?"
> --Diana Trent, "Waiting for God", on why a modelling agency is really a
> knocking-shop. Applied by me to the field of consulting. :)
>
> The Sci-Fi fan's solution to debt: Reverse the polarity on your charge
card.
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| Uncle Pirate 2004-06-28, 4:09 pm |
| Vorxion wrote:
> But I use perl for a -lot- more than CGI, too.
Me too. Backup scripts, scripts that automaticall do some web page
updates, etc. It seems I never write shell scripts anymore unless it's
a real simple two or three liner.
As for the subject, with something like freelance in the title, is this
a job board for Perl programmers? I've been about ready to drop it from
my list of subscribed groups since there's hardly ever anything here.
--
Stan McCann "Uncle Pirate"
Webmaster/Computer Center Manager, NMSU at Alamogordo
Cooordinator, Tularosa Basin Chapter, ABATE of NM AMA#758681
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) :( http://surecann.com/Dcp_2068c.jpg
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein
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| John Bokma 2004-06-28, 8:58 pm |
| Uncle Pirate wrote:
> Vorxion wrote:
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> Me too. Backup scripts, scripts that automaticall do some web page
> updates, etc. It seems I never write shell scripts anymore unless it's
> a real simple two or three liner.
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> As for the subject, with something like freelance in the title, is this
> a job board for Perl programmers?
http://jobs.perl.org/ but don't hold your breath.
> I've been about ready to drop it from
> my list of subscribed groups since there's hardly ever anything here.
There are a lot of sites with bidding for projects, but don't go there,
unless you can write a Amazon clone for 3 USD and install it for free.
--
John MexIT: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/
personal page: http://johnbokma.com/
Experienced Perl programmer available: http://castleamber.com/
Happy Customers: http://castleamber.com/testimonials.html
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| Vorxion 2004-06-29, 3:57 am |
| In article <40e0aa4a$0$874$58c7af7e@news.kabelfoon.nl>, John Bokma wrote:
>Uncle Pirate wrote:
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I wrote a whole secure generic CGI engine. http://onegate.fairlite.com It's
CGI the way CGI was -originally- intended to be done. Everyone's rolled
CGI directly into their custom apps, but there are legacy programs out
there that can't be rewritten and need interfacing to the web. This
fills that roll splendidly. Designed it from the ground up with security
in mind.
I still do my own stuff internally with CGI when I do web stuff.
Strangely, I did one the other day that doesn't even use CGI.pm. It looks
at $ENV{'PATH_INFO'} and that's it. :) But this OneGate project got back to
the heart of what CGI -really- was back when I started on it in C in 1994,
and the model of what's really needed yet in some cases--a gateway.
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>There are a lot of sites with bidding for projects, but don't go there,
>unless you can write a Amazon clone for 3 USD and install it for free.
*laugh* It's that damned influx of Indian and Russian programmers working
for peanuts that's ruined it! *groans in pain*
I prefer non-CGI perl stuff lately. Did a $6k custom client/server project
for one company, from the specification on upwards. Did my first GUI
in Perl/Tk (http://members.iglou.com/mantia/crafts/archive.html for a
screenshot of it in action) inside of four days (learning Tk as I went!),
including the XML::Parser event handlers (both sets), the GUI itself, and
the meat of the logic. Four days for my first multi-platform GUI. And
it was -smoother- than CGI coding, by far. When I do integrated code like
this, CGI seems so clumsy.
It really -is- clumsy--a series of standardised handshakes, but just
handshakes passing the data back and forth. It's a cumbersome model,
comparatively. It has its place, but it isn't the end-all-be-all of doing
things.
I still like to do it, but there are other things I like more.
--
Vorxion - Founder of the knocking-shop of the mind.
"You have it, you sell it, you've still got it--what's the difference?"
--Diana Trent, "Waiting for God", on why a modelling agency is really a
knocking-shop. Applied by me to the field of consulting. :)
The Sci-Fi fan's solution to debt: Reverse the polarity on your charge card.
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| Uncle Pirate 2004-06-29, 8:56 pm |
| John Bokma wrote:
> Uncle Pirate wrote:
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> http://jobs.perl.org/ but don't hold your breath.
I was just curious, not looking for a job. Not that I could get a job
doing Perl programming anyway; I am strictly an amateur although I have
written some nice useful scripts.
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> There are a lot of sites with bidding for projects, but don't go there,
> unless you can write a Amazon clone for 3 USD and install it for free.
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I'm glad I already have a job. Actually, a pretty good one. It may not
pay the best but when I wrecked my motorcycle last July, I found out how
good the insuance benefit is. And my cooworkers turned out in droves to
show support. I did construction work years ago; if I had been still at
that, I'd have lost everything I owned after my wreck.
--
Stan McCann "Uncle Pirate"
Webmaster/Computer Center Manager, NMSU at Alamogordo
Cooordinator, Tularosa Basin Chapter, ABATE of NM AMA#758681
'94 1500 Vulcan (now wrecked) :( http://surecann.com/Dcp_2068c.jpg
A zest for living must include a willingness to die. - R.A. Heinlein
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