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Re: PERL / PHP Coders Needed
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| Mike Patton 2004-03-19, 1:24 pm |
| I did not anywhere in my message state that I am an expert with
PERL or PHP. I am, however, good enough that I get enough
work to overwhelm me at times. In this day and age where
clients are contracting more and more to offshore developers,
it's nearly impossible to charge high enough rates to be able
to pay a subcontractor more than $25 or so per hour. Most good
developers based in the U.S. or the U.K. would laugh at this
rate. I accept these rates because my freelancing is how I feed
my family.
Now I don't quite understand what in my post would have fueled
such a flame fest... is it just the childishness of some developers
who obviously have too much time on their hands, or did I write
something which would spark this? I meant no offense by the
original post, and appologise to whoever was offended for
whatever reason.
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 05:24:39 -0400, Vorxion wrote:
> In article <n31hb.5561$kA.1633582@wards.force9.net>, Matty wrote:
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> Hadn't thought about that bit. Good catch. :)
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> Oh, we could probably go on just about forever with it. :) It was just
> too good to pass up the first 2 or 3 times, but I'll go back to playing my
> GameCube now, and relaxing. It's more fun than clubbing baby employers. :)
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| Mike Patton wrote:
> Now I don't quite understand what in my post would have fueled
> such a flame fest... is it just the childishness of some developers
> who obviously have too much time on their hands, or did I write
> something which would spark this? I meant no offense by the
> original post, and appologise to whoever was offended for
> whatever reason.
Personally, it was mostly the "I want the world, but I won't
pay for it" tone - you're asking for work comparable with UK/US
freelance workers, and presumably a standard of English to match
(this *is* more important than many clients/developers seem to
think), yet you're not prepared to pay the rate for what you're
asking.
I know what it's like trying to feed yourself on others on freelance
work, and after a long hard slog fixing other people's incompetent
perl and php scripts for trifling small amounts of money, I moved
towards the idea of having a normal job - sales in my case (kinda
sick of getting paid a flat salary and watching my work be billed
out a 100x my wage) - regular money, lots less stress, and it means
I can just work on better paid/higher profile projects, rather than
having to take on anything just to pay the electric bill.
The other thing is, if you're no expert, how on earth would you know
a good code sample when you look at it? My last "paid employment" agency
boss couldn't code at anything like the standard I'd be happy producing
for others, yet considered himself at least a competent programmer.
Happy hunting! If you have any interesting work (doesn't have to be
fantastically lucrative, since it's not my bread-and-butter), ideally
with scope for some kind of credit, I may be interested...
Matt
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| Vorxion 2004-03-19, 1:24 pm |
| In article <pan.2003.10.19.18.29.18.529071@acuitymedia.com>, Mike Patton wrote:
>I did not anywhere in my message state that I am an expert with
>PERL or PHP. I am, however, good enough that I get enough
>work to overwhelm me at times. In this day and age where
>clients are contracting more and more to offshore developers,
>it's nearly impossible to charge high enough rates to be able
>to pay a subcontractor more than $25 or so per hour. Most good
>developers based in the U.S. or the U.K. would laugh at this
>rate. I accept these rates because my freelancing is how I feed
>my family.
Indeed, I would laugh at those rates. And I also freelance to pay all the
bills. The difference is that I do more than web development. I'm a
sy min, network guy, general programmer, troubleshooter, security
auditor, etc.
>Now I don't quite understand what in my post would have fueled
>such a flame fest... is it just the childishness of some developers
>who obviously have too much time on their hands, or did I write
>something which would spark this? I meant no offense by the
You haven't -seen- a flame from me. Trust me, had I launched a Fiery Arrow
of Death, you would have noticed. :)
What we took exception to is exactly what Matty said--you want high
quality, yet aren't willing to pay for it. And I'm not quite buying the
line about not being able to pay a subcontractor more than $25/hr, yet
getting an overflow of work. If you're that overflowed and -still- can't
float the boat, you're in serious need of a hard look at your fee structure,
because you're doing something wrong, IMHO.
>original post, and appologise to whoever was offended for
>whatever reason.
Not offended--amused in a cynical and sardonic fashion. :)
--
Vorxion - Member of The Vortexa Elite
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| Vorxion wrote:
> line about not being able to pay a subcontractor more than $25/hr, yet
> getting an overflow of work. If you're that overflowed and -still- can't
> float the boat, you're in serious need of a hard look at your fee
Good point - if you're getting too many offers, maybe you're not
charging enough! What's better - 60 hours' work at 25/hr, or 40 hours at
45/hr?
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| Art Sackett 2004-03-19, 1:25 pm |
| Mike Patton <mpatton@acuitymedia.com> wrote:
> In this day and age where
> clients are contracting more and more to offshore developers,
> it's nearly impossible to charge high enough rates to be able
> to pay a subcontractor more than $25 or so per hour.
So, then, your defense is that you're just one of many participating in
the gang-rape?
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Art Sackett
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| Vorxion 2004-03-19, 1:25 pm |
| In article <bnodgs0139v@enews2.newsguy.com>, Art Sackett wrote:
>Mike Patton <mpatton@acuitymedia.com> wrote:
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>So, then, your defense is that you're just one of many participating in
>the gang-rape?
Oh, that -was- good! Thanks, my wife and I got a kick out of it!
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Vorxion - Member of The Vortexa Elite
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| Art Sackett 2004-03-19, 1:25 pm |
| Vorxion <vorxion@knockingshopofthemind.com> wrote:
> Oh, that -was- good! Thanks, my wife and I got a kick out of it!
:-) Thank you, it was my pleasure.
--
Art Sackett
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| Art Sackett wrote:
> Mike Patton <mpatton@acuitymedia.com> wrote:
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> So, then, your defense is that you're just one of many participating in
> the gang-rape?
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Ah - so that's it: I should have bought some KY-Jelly. Knew there was
a reason the freelance work has been slower lately...
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