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Re: Semitic Monotheism

Straydog

2006-08-29, 9:58 pm

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, are we on same page? wrote:

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> "Straydog" <asd@panix.com> wrote in message
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> it's anti-conversion racket sponsored in the west; entirely different from
> anti-west.

Your perception vs. my perception vs. many other perceptions depending on
color of sunglasses.

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> true only in theological sense. however, tehnically communism too is a
> powerful belief system - to not believe in god with such conviction as
> commies display, too is a belief system, and that's th eidea here - with its
> violent army, ideology, propagandists, prophet (marx, mao) and its book (das
> capital) all just like the kirastani missionaires and mommedan racketeers
> and terrorists.

Well, if you want to look at it as some kind of belief system, then yes.
But, if you want to call communism a "theism" then it has to have a god.
Even Marx can't be called communism's god because _communist_ ideas can be
found in the history books going back many to hundreds to much farther in
the past.

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> note that arundhati roy is a commie.

Fine. If you want to call her that, go ahead. If you want to deny her
rights to express her thoughts, then you are playing censor. Again, that
is your right.

> the west finds her useful against india

I can find sentiment in India that is pro-communist, so forget the west.
We get zero in our media about residual communism in India. In fact, we
get hardly any sentiment about comunism in China, either.

> so the west honors her and gives her prizes.

We have all manner of groups, pro-left and pro-right, in the west. The
pro-right gives people prizes, too.

> she, however, is very anti-usa,
> and predictably so, when usa is not looking.

Would you say I am anti-USA if I have an opinion that disagrees with my
government?

> in the controversy below that you quote the forces arrayed against hindus
> are:
> 1. commie indians (which includes romila thappar, the foremost commie
> ideolog from india who now is employed by the u.s. library of congress in a
> very prominent position - do a google search on her)
> 2. kirastani indians, ably assisted by church - the anti-hindu "dalits" are
> just these kirastanis.
> 3. mommedans, ably assisted by cair

Hah! I will let all of you Indians sort out your own politics and all I
will do is--for certain Indians, like Kamal Pra

, who can't say anything
nice about the USA but can say tons of things bad about the USA--show that
Indians can be found who are not all happy with things in India.

> note that none these 3 have any kids going to school in california where
> this "controvery" is raging. prof weasel is a total idiot who speaks little
> sanskrit, with terrible accent at that, and yet harvard university rather
> have him - is it because he is an anglo? - teaching sanskrit at harvard than
> hire one from a vast multitude of available real hindu brahmin scholars.
> what a travesty.

Please, this is beyond the scope of my interests. I looked at least
halfway down and found no other comments by you so I take it that this is
where I can put my "separator". Thank you for your comments. And, I know a
lot of guys in the USA who I agree with and other guys in the USA who are,
as far as I'm concerned, full of crap.

However, let me basically wish all people on the planet as much success
and improvement of their own individual lives, freedoms, and health as
possible (I just wish for no more wars, no slavery, no exploitations, and
fairness and justice for all [yeah, I know that is wishing for too much]).

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are we on same page?

2006-08-30, 6:57 pm

"Straydog" <asd@panix.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, are we on same page? wrote:
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> Your perception vs. my perception vs. many other perceptions depending on
> color of sunglasses.
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there really is not any other issues between the west and the hindus who
just want to be left alone - just like the jewish people of israel where
conversion is banned outright for all practical purposes.
the west is being foolish on this because the hindus have always been
favorably disposed to the general western world view. why mess up a
perfectly good thing?

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> Well, if you want to look at it as some kind of belief system, then yes.
> But, if you want to call communism a "theism" then it has to have a god.
> Even Marx can't be called communism's god because _communist_ ideas can be
> found in the history books going back many to hundreds to much farther in
> the past.
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same is true of kirastanism and mohamadism.
however, marx is their prophet. and prophet can do whatever he wants to do
with his god that only he can define and own.

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> Fine. If you want to call her that, go ahead. If you want to deny her
> rights to express her thoughts, then you are playing censor. Again, that
> is your right.
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sorry, i don't get your point.
she is a communist, like bill oreilly is a conservative/republican.
she comes down on the side of well known commie views of any issue, like
oreilly comes on the side of conservatives.
quite elementary, really.

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> I can find sentiment in India that is pro-communist, so forget the west.
> We get zero in our media about residual communism in India. In fact, we
> get hardly any sentiment about comunism in China, either.
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since usa regards india and china with some anxiety, i think the american
people should try to learn about these two countries, given the fact that we
now live in info age where you no longer have to depend on traditional
sources of media or the govt as was the case all along, safely casting away
the stereotypes that were promoted by vested interests. ignorance causes
misunderstanding which leads to a lot of avoidable unpleasantness, wouldn't
you agree?

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> We have all manner of groups, pro-left and pro-right, in the west. The
> pro-right gives people prizes, too.
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ly, that is not true. ever notice the fact that the lefties of the world
unite all the time, while the righties of the world do not?
in fact, the righties of one country love the lefties of the other country
since they are thought to lighten things up some, if not destabilizing
influence.
i think it is because the conservatives are united around the religion
which, by virtue of its monotheist insecurities, must assert its ways over
other options.
point in case is the bush govt, the party of righties, denies visas to the
conservative party members of india, but loves to invite the indian commies.
bush guys were among the frontal supporters of commie forces that brought
"democracy" in hindu nepal.
i think about the only exception is the nexus between the tories of britain
and republicans in usa.
we know the hubble telescope has reported there is no father in heaven, yet
the kirastani monotheists impose themselves on others. why not get religion
out of righty politics?

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> Would you say I am anti-USA if I have an opinion that disagrees with my
> government?
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ok, if it makes you feel better, she has always been anti-usa govt's
opinions, usa's capitalist set up, usa's hegemony, usa's imperialism,
usa's...............................
how long the list has to be to conclude she is anti-usa?

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> Hah! I will let all of you Indians sort out your own politics and all I
> will do is--for certain Indians, like Kamal Pra

, who can't say anything
> nice about the USA but can say tons of things bad about the USA--show that
> Indians can be found who are not all happy with things in India.
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that's pretty easily done. however, quoting commie arundhati roy will
actually defeat your purpose.
the indians know the bad in their country too well. but the americans, i am
afraid, don't. the media in usa can hardly help, having long stereotyped as
india as a land "dowrey killings, widows setting themseleves aflame on
husbands' pyres, hindu-mommedans unending fights". of course, once a while
comes along that tom freidman guy who is flummoxed by india, and flummoxes
everybody else; but that's short lived and easily forgotten in favor of
feel-good stereotypes. kamal pra

is pretty much one dimensional on this
one stereotype of usa. but i think he trying to solve what he sees to be an
american problem, by focussing singlemindedly on this like it were a math
problem (i don't agree with him mostly); the unevitable result is overdoing
it, pissing everybody off. i feel connvinced the usa, warts and all, is the
greatest civilizing influence the world has ever seen in the recorded
history. the usa has created a world order in which other nations have been
able to stand by its side to make the world a yet better place, and that
process is merely snowballing and more players are joining in. just look at
the world scene. now with people like bill gates, and bush and blair too,
championing the cause of africa, there is hardly any place not brought
within the tent. we all need to recognize that this is the best time ever.

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> Please, this is beyond the scope of my interests. I looked at least
> halfway down and found no other comments by you so I take it that this is
> where I can put my "separator". Thank you for your comments. And, I know a
> lot of guys in the USA who I agree with and other guys in the USA who are,
> as far as I'm concerned, full of crap.
>
> However, let me basically wish all people on the planet as much success
> and improvement of their own individual lives, freedoms, and health as
> possible (I just wish for no more wars, no slavery, no exploitations, and
> fairness and justice for all [yeah, I know that is wishing for too much]).
>

great finish. and i wish the same. i do think one of the things that need
to be done is for the west to keep its missionaries within toward that goal.

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