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Too Late for the People?
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| The Trucker 2006-03-26, 6:57 pm |
| Is it too late to reign in the "global corpotopia"? Is representative
government truly dead?
The lack of true democratic principles is the real disease. What we
see and what we discuss in all these threads in sci.econ and
alt.politics.economics is the loss of individual freedom and liberty
to the powerful and organized interests of big business and big
REPUBLICAN government that is run by big business. A
change in the USA to the Democratic party MAY be the only
real hope for the world even if it is NOT the real solution. In
the USA we need smaller electoral districts and more representatives
so that our nation will return to its more democratic roots. The
majority want National Health Insurance, and the majority want
separation of church and state. The majority want American
workers to have some protections from H1B visas and illegal
immigration. But we don't get it because the TwoParty is held
in place by the corporate lobby. The neoconomists continue
to preach that whatever is good for corporate power is good
for the people and the representatives parrot this crap so as to
keep their stations.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers
of society but the people themselves; and
if we think them not enlightened enough to
exercise their control with a wholesome
discretion, the remedy is not to take it from
them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson
http://GreaterVoice.org
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| BroTher zAchary 2006-03-27, 3:57 am |
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The Trucker wrote:
> Is it too late to reign in the "global corpotopia"? Is representative
> government truly dead?
>
> The lack of true democratic principles is the real disease. What we
> see and what we discuss in all these threads in sci.econ and
> alt.politics.economics is the loss of individual freedom and liberty
> to the powerful and organized interests of big business and big
> REPUBLICAN government that is run by big business. A
> change in the USA to the Democratic party MAY be the only
> real hope for the world even if it is NOT the real solution.
Give me a chance to succede in a world run by [rivate corporations,
than be slapped down by One World Order Socialists in a world run by
government-controlled corporations. But then the two visions have been
converging for decades, being brought about by power players on all
sides.
The anarchists may be onto something.
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| Phil Scott 2006-03-27, 3:58 am |
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Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.
"BroTher zAchary" <victorthecleaner@gmail.com> wrote in
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news:1143439689.914063.70270@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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> The Trucker wrote:
>
> Give me a chance to succede in a world run by [rivate
> corporations,
> than be slapped down by One World Order Socialists in a
> world run by
> government-controlled corporations. But then the two visions
> have been
> converging for decades, being brought about by power players
> on all
> sides.
>
> The anarchists may be onto something.
sooth
>
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| retrogrouch@comcast.net 2006-03-27, 6:58 pm |
| On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:57:50 -0800, "The Trucker" <mikcob@verizon.net>
wrote:
>Is it too late to reign in the "global corpotopia"? Is representative
>government truly dead?
Man, I went to see Syriana yesterday. For a couple days at least I
feel like the answer is yes, it's too late.
Good movie very depressing though.
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Just another albino black sheep
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| Ron Peterson 2006-03-27, 6:58 pm |
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The Trucker wrote:
> ... The neoconomists continue
> to preach that whatever is good for corporate power is good
> for the people and the representatives parrot this crap so as to
> keep their stations.
What would you change it to? Corporate decision making in a capitalist
evironment simply tries to maximize return on capital which investors
expect as a matter of fiduciary responsibility. Sometimes management
tries to change things to maximize their returns as in the case of
Enron in which case management is charged with a crime or new laws are
enacted to make such misdeeds punishable.
Would you rather have a theocracy come to power and use the wealth of
the country to create wars to spread their religion?
Or perhaps, PETA could come to power and take all of pets away from us
and release them into the wild?
To get any meaningful improvement in the economy will require
democratic decision making in addition to technical input by
economists, scientists, engineers, etc. with strong protection of the
rights of individuals.
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Ron
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| retrogrouch@comcast.net 2006-03-27, 6:58 pm |
| On 27 Mar 2006 13:09:25 -0800, "Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com>
wrote:
>The Trucker wrote:
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>What would you change it to? Corporate decision making in a capitalist
>evironment simply tries to maximize return on capital which investors
>expect as a matter of fiduciary responsibility. Sometimes management
>tries to change things to maximize their returns as in the case of
>Enron in which case management is charged with a crime or new laws are
>enacted to make such misdeeds punishable.
>
>Would you rather have a theocracy come to power and use the wealth of
>the country to create wars to spread their religion?
>
>Or perhaps, PETA could come to power and take all of pets away from us
>and release them into the wild?
I can't decide if your imagination is wild and idiotic or nonexistent.
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Just another albino black sheep
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| royls@telus.net 2006-03-27, 6:58 pm |
| On 27 Mar 2006 13:09:25 -0800, "Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com>
wrote:
>Would you rather have a theocracy come to power and use the wealth of
>the country to create wars to spread their religion?
Hehe. "Too late" indeed....
-- Roy L
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