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| timasmith@hotmail.com 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
| Hi,
In my past work I am familiar with using the Rational tools and for
Requirements Management we used Req Pro. I have heard of but am not
familiar with Doors.
Now with a new open source project on the horizon I would either build,
but preferably find a tool to do the following:
1) Uniquely identify, categorize and detailed low level functional
requirements.
2) Embed the requirement ids in comments in the source code.
3) Create a suite of test cases for all requirements.
4) Generate reports of untested requirements or not yet implemented.
I suppose one might like to have a trace to a design - modules or
subsystems but I havent found that a worthy step - since the design is
a generalization of the implementation.
Req pro did not seem particularly complex - so it is tempting to build
a database driven tool - skipping the MS Word piece - instead
generating xml/html from the database of requirements.
What is everyone else that is not purchasing tools using - if it
matters the rest of the project uses Eclipse and JBoss.
thanks
Tim
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| timasmith wrote:
> In my past work I am familiar with using the Rational tools and for
> Requirements Management we used Req Pro. I have heard of but am not
> familiar with Doors.
>
> Now with a new open source project on the horizon I would either build,
> but preferably find a tool to do the following:
>
> 1) Uniquely identify, categorize and detailed low level functional
> requirements.
> 2) Embed the requirement ids in comments in the source code.
> 3) Create a suite of test cases for all requirements.
> 4) Generate reports of untested requirements or not yet implemented.
Suppose you write failing test cases before you write any new code that
passes the tests. This forces all your code to have test cases.
Now annotate each test case with the name of the feature it resolves.
From here, if you put any 'assert(false)' in any code, and run all the
tests, the list of tests that fail is the list of features which that line
of code supports.
The more, the better. This shows your code is tight.
--
Phlip
[url]http://www.greencheese.org/Z Land[/url] <-- NOT a blog!!!
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| David Lightstone 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
|
<timasmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136229415.216435.44720@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> In my past work I am familiar with using the Rational tools and for
> Requirements Management we used Req Pro. I have heard of but am not
> familiar with Doors.
>
> Now with a new open source project on the horizon I would either build,
> but preferably find a tool to do the following:
>
> 1) Uniquely identify, categorize and detailed low level functional
> requirements.
> 2) Embed the requirement ids in comments in the source code.
> 3) Create a suite of test cases for all requirements.
> 4) Generate reports of untested requirements or not yet implemented.
You might want to think very carefully about your work process first.
Which, if any, of these 4 have you done using Requisite Pro?
>
> I suppose one might like to have a trace to a design - modules or
> subsystems but I havent found that a worthy step - since the design is
> a generalization of the implementation.
>
> Req pro did not seem particularly complex - so it is tempting to build
> a database driven tool - skipping the MS Word piece - instead
> generating xml/html from the database of requirements.
It is more difficult than you think. How do you plan to validate the
"database" for completeness and consistency?
>
> What is everyone else that is not purchasing tools using - if it
> matters the rest of the project uses Eclipse and JBoss.
Word and Access
>
> thanks
>
> Tim
>
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| timasmith@hotmail.com 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
|
Phlip wrote:
<snip>
> Suppose you write failing test cases before you write any new code that
> passes the tests. This forces all your code to have test cases.
>
> Now annotate each test case with the name of the feature it resolves.
>
> From here, if you put any 'assert(false)' in any code, and run all the
> tests, the list of tests that fail is the list of features which that line
> of code supports.
>
> The more, the better. This shows your code is tight.
>
> --
> Phlip
> [url]http://www.greencheese.org/ZLand[/url] <-- NOT a blog!!!
I do like the concept of failing a method will highlight tests/features
that you wrote tests for.
However you cannot possibly write all test cases for a large system -
the number of possibilities would be almost endless.
Also this only tells you what you have coded - not what you have yet to
code.
And finally analysts work with end users to manage requirements -
having them annotate code is not going to work as a communication tool
to developers.
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| timasmith@hotmail.com 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
| With Req Pro I have done all 4 - I imported source code into Req Pro
and marked up the methods which mapped to requirements. Of course it
is impossible to maintain but was useful to provide a one time coverage
analysis and later to direct new developers to where some of the
requirements could be found in the code.
Not sure what you mean about validating the database - by having a
simple table of requirements it is complete and consistent - as long as
you break down requirements into individual entitities and only use the
database - not fully realistic but useful for most of the functional
requirements.
Ok I will use Access, my one table - and auto generate HTML documents
from it - rudimentary but will do for now.
| |
|
| timasmith wrote:
> However you cannot possibly write all test cases for a large system -
> the number of possibilities would be almost endless.
You can, however, convert each requirement into a test case. Otherwise it's
not a fully analyzed requirement.
Note this pushes the definition of test coverage out to the definition of
requirements analysis.
> Also this only tells you what you have coded - not what you have yet to
> code.
Right.
> And finally analysts work with end users to manage requirements -
> having them annotate code is not going to work as a communication tool
> to developers.
I have not done this yet, but there are those who invite such analysts to
write test cases, using simple tools like spreadsheets or web sites.
--
Phlip
[url]http://www.greencheese.org/ZLand[/url] <-- NOT a blog!!!
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| David Lightstone 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
|
<timasmith@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1136249026.744232.182020@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> With Req Pro I have done all 4 - I imported source code into Req Pro
> and marked up the methods which mapped to requirements. Of course it
> is impossible to maintain but was useful to provide a one time coverage
> analysis and later to direct new developers to where some of the
> requirements could be found in the code.
My opinion, for what it is worth, is that unless you have maintained it, you
haven't done it. The reason being - nobody cares about the intermediary
steps, only the final result. The result that corresponds to the product
released to the client. If the 4 are not covered in that final result, they
haven't been done
>
> Not sure what you mean about validating the database - by having a
> simple table of requirements it is complete and consistent - as long as
> you break down requirements into individual entitities and only use the
> database - not fully realistic but useful for most of the functional
> requirements.
At the simplest level, those requirements in the database. They are
statements in a human readable language - any spelling mistakes? What about
grammer errors? How about ambiguities? etc
How do you know you do not have 2 inconsistent requirements? Certainly not
because you have carefully entered things into the database.You must have
done something that serves to validate. Perhaps you reviewed them with
someone else.
What about duplicate requirements? It is real easy to enter the same
requirement twice./ (done it many times myself)
>
> Ok I will use Access, my one table - and auto generate HTML documents
> from it - rudimentary but will do for now.
1 table!!!!!!
3 - 4 more years of work left. Have fun
>
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| Thad Smith 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
| Phlip wrote:
> timasmith wrote:
>
>
> You can, however, convert each requirement into a test case. Otherwise it's
> not a fully analyzed requirement.
>
> Note this pushes the definition of test coverage out to the definition of
> requirements analysis.
In my usage, test coverage is the percentage of the total amount of
logic that can be invoked from the external environment, which depends
on, among other things, the way that the code is designed. For ease of
implementation or efficiency, the general requirement may be met by
choosing among six cases in the code. Without knowing the design, you
cannot claim to have total test coverage.
--
Thad
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| Thad Smith wrote:
> In my usage, test coverage is the percentage of the total amount of logic
> that can be invoked from the external environment, which depends on, among
> other things, the way that the code is designed. For ease of
> implementation or efficiency, the general requirement may be met by
> choosing among six cases in the code. Without knowing the design, you
> cannot claim to have total test coverage.
If you write "too many" tests, and if they are all cheap and aggressive,
they might fail if the resulting application would have no bugs. Sometimes
this technique can force the application to be so decoupled and testable
that the odds of a bug get much lower than with exhaustive testing.
So run the tests after every few edits, so you can back out harmless edits
that broke the tests. Then make more careful edits.
--
Phlip
[url]http://www.greencheese.org/ZLand[/url] <-- NOT a blog!!!
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| alcanazar 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
| > With Req Pro I have done all 4 - I imported source code into Req Pro
> and marked up the methods which mapped to requirements. Of course it
> is impossible to maintain but was useful to provide a one time coverage
> analysis and later to direct new developers to where some of the
> requirements could be found in the code.
Interesting. I should look into Req Pro.
You may wish to map out your desired process first. From there
you can see which parts can be easily implemented by the tools
you are familiar with. You can add new tools as you go. Eventually
you can fill in the manual steps with new tools and scripts.
> Ok I will use Access, my one table - and auto generate HTML documents
> from it - rudimentary but will do for now.
The defined process gives everyone a road map to walk them
through the manual steps that bridge between the tools. It is very
helpful for bringing new people onboard and is also a nice reference
for experienced team members when they need to perform a step
they are unfamiliar with or do infrequently.
The map also helps when you find a new tool that you wish to use
but doesn't quite fit your process. You use your old process as
a baseline for a new process and it can provide a check list to
assure that the critical steps are in your new process.
Other Points
Rather than embedding the requirements directly into the code,
you may wish to include an URL to a web page that provides
the traceability. You can rig your CM system to run your source
through a documentation tool to generate a web based listing
that then links to the requirements. You can provide links to
design information as well. You might even be able to rig the CM
system to generate a link back to the managed source code and
thus provide a quick link for updating.
That aside, You may find that some requirements will not easily
map to the source code. Some may require a full system to test.
Performance requirements are often like this. You may find it
better to map system requirements to tests than specific code.
Unit testing can cover most of the basic testing and might not map
back to system tests. A well-coded class can have methods that
your system does not use.
You may wish to run a test coverage tool to see how much of the
code your tests do cover. I have seen fairly complete functional test
suites that cover only half the code.
Alcanazar
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| Wayne Woodruff 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
|
>You may wish to map out your desired process first. From there
>you can see which parts can be easily implemented by the tools
>you are familiar with. You can add new tools as you go. Eventually
>you can fill in the manual steps with new tools and scripts.
Amen. Nothing bothers me more than to have people solve a problem by
picking a tool. Solve the problem, then find a tool that helps. If
you bind the solution to the tool, you will likely not solve the
problem and be stuck with a tool that does not meet your espectations.
Wayne Woodruff
http://www.jtan.com/~wayne
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| Andrew Gabb 2006-01-10, 4:09 am |
| FWIW, a few years ago we formally evaluated the then commonly
available RM tools against detailed requirements. Requisite and
Doors were included, and both scored well.
Initially we intended to also consider what we could achieve with a
home-grown DB written in Access in a couple of ws by a capable
developer. After reviewing the better tools, we decided not to
bother - that we could get nowhere near the functionality that the
other tools had with 2 ws effort. To put it another way, the
decision to buy vs. build was a no-brainer.
We also knew of several orgs who had spent a lot of effort building
something then eventually bought a commercial tool.
YMMV
Andrew
timasmith@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In my past work I am familiar with using the Rational tools and for
> Requirements Management we used Req Pro. I have heard of but am not
> familiar with Doors.
>
> Now with a new open source project on the horizon I would either build,
> but preferably find a tool to do the following:
>
> 1) Uniquely identify, categorize and detailed low level functional
> requirements.
> 2) Embed the requirement ids in comments in the source code.
> 3) Create a suite of test cases for all requirements.
> 4) Generate reports of untested requirements or not yet implemented.
>
> I suppose one might like to have a trace to a design - modules or
> subsystems but I havent found that a worthy step - since the design is
> a generalization of the implementation.
>
> Req pro did not seem particularly complex - so it is tempting to build
> a database driven tool - skipping the MS Word piece - instead
> generating xml/html from the database of requirements.
>
> What is everyone else that is not purchasing tools using - if it
> matters the rest of the project uses Eclipse and JBoss.
>
> thanks
>
> Tim
>
--
Andrew Gabb
email: agabb@tpgi.com.au Adelaide, South Australia
phone: +61 8 8342-1021, fax: +61 8 8269-3280
-----
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| Robert C. Martin 2006-01-23, 7:03 pm |
| On 2 Jan 2006 16:37:57 -0800, timasmith@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>Phlip wrote:
><snip>
>
>I do like the concept of failing a method will highlight tests/features
>that you wrote tests for.
>
>However you cannot possibly write all test cases for a large system -
>the number of possibilities would be almost endless.
True. But what you *can* write are test cases that justifies the
existence of every line of code in the system. You may not get 100%
path coverage, but you can certainly get 100% line and branch
coverage.
>Also this only tells you what you have coded - not what you have yet to
>code.
If you write the failing test cases first, then those that fail are a
good indication of what is yet to be coded. I use acceptance tests
for that purpose (written in FitNesse). I write my unit tests first;
but only *seconds* before I make them pass.
>And finally analysts work with end users to manage requirements -
>having them annotate code is not going to work as a communication tool
>to developers.
Analysts *can* write test cases in FitNesse. And programmers must
bind those test cases to the code. Therefore you get traceability.
-----
Robert C. Martin (Uncle Bob) | email: unclebob@objectmentor.com
Object Mentor Inc. | blog: www.butunclebob.com
The Agile Transition Experts | web: www.objectmentor.com
800-338-6716
"The aim of science is not to open the door to infinite wisdom,
but to set a limit to infinite error."
-- Bertolt Brecht, Life of Galileo
| |
| Robert C. Martin 2006-01-23, 7:03 pm |
| On 2 Jan 2006 11:16:55 -0800, timasmith@hotmail.com wrote:
>What is everyone else that is not purchasing tools using - if it
>matters the rest of the project uses Eclipse and JBoss.
I've been using FitNesse for many of the projects I've been working
on, and consulting for. It make a nice requirements tracker; and
since it's also a way to capture and execute FIT tests, it makes a
nice way to verify that the requirements have been satisfied.
-----
Robert C. Martin (Uncle Bob) | email: unclebob@objectmentor.com
Object Mentor Inc. | blog: www.butunclebob.com
The Agile Transition Experts | web: www.objectmentor.com
800-338-6716
"The aim of science is not to open the door to infinite wisdom,
but to set a limit to infinite error."
-- Bertolt Brecht, Life of Galileo
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"Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Suppose you write failing test cases before you write any new code that
> passes the tests. This forces all your code to have test cases.
>
> The more, the better. This shows your code is tight.
>
Testing is one useful aspect of program validation and verification.
However, one must never rely on testing alone to ensure the correctness
of a program.
Richard Riehle
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| Laurent Bossavit 2006-02-11, 6:59 pm |
| Richard,
> However, one must never rely on testing alone to ensure the correctness
> of a program.
What if you don't have the source code ?
Laurent
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|
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"Laurent Bossavit" <laurent@dontspambossavit.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e5873edfff28c539899f4@news.noos.fr...
> Richard,
>
>
> What if you don't have the source code ?
>
You make the best of a bad situation. Sometimes we can
reverse engineer. Other times we can take a cleanroom
approach. As a last resort, one may invoke the assistance
of some benign deity, but that has not proven too successful
on most projects.
Richard Riehle
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| David Lightstone 2006-02-13, 3:58 am |
|
"Laurent Bossavit" <laurent@dontspambossavit.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e5873edfff28c539899f4@news.noos.fr...
> Richard,
>
>
> What if you don't have the source code ?
Happens all the time that is both black box testing and validation testing.
>
> Laurent
>
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| timasmith 2006-04-27, 9:18 pm |
| quote:
Originally posted by timasmith@hotmail.com
Hi,
In my past work I am familiar with using the Rational tools and for
Requirements Management we used Req Pro. I have heard of but am not
familiar with Doors.
Now with a new open source project on the horizon I would either build,
but preferably find a tool to do the following:
1) Uniquely identify, categorize and detailed low level functional
requirements.
2) Embed the requirement ids in comments in the source code.
3) Create a suite of test cases for all requirements.
4) Generate reports of untested requirements or not yet implemented.
I suppose one might like to have a trace to a design - modules or
subsystems but I havent found that a worthy step - since the design is
a generalization of the implementation.
Req pro did not seem particularly complex - so it is tempting to build
a database driven tool - skipping the MS Word piece - instead
generating xml/html from the database of requirements.
What is everyone else that is not purchasing tools using - if it
matters the rest of the project uses Eclipse and JBoss.
thanks
Tim
Seems like there is a reasonable open source requirements management tool ... http://www.osrmt.com
Still a little young in the game but holds promise if it stays active on sourceforge.ent | |
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