web crawling program

"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Richard wrote: 
>
> What's wrong with it is he's using someone else's information and
> bandwidth.
>
> For instance, if the information is copyrighted, he could be in
> serious legal trouble.  Even if it isn't copyrighted, the owner may
> not like the way he's using their website.
>
> Automating repetitive tasks is fine when it's your resources.  But
> when you're using someone else's resources, you need to pay
> attention to what they allow.
>
> The whole thing could get him in serious legal trouble if he doesn't
> have permission to do what he wants.  And if the owner of the site
> wanted to press it, it could cost the op a LOT of money.
>

Wow Jerry,
that's a lot of ifs. Now what if not?

Information on a website is public, and meant to be accessed.

Within limits. Of course.

R.

Richard wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>  news:PZWdnfg7j5vlRW_anZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@co
mcast.com... 
>
> Wow Jerry,
> that's a lot of ifs. Now what if not?
>
> Information on a website is public, and meant to be accessed.
>
> Within limits. Of course.
>
> R.
>
>
>
>
>

It is meant to be accessed within the limits the owner puts on it.  And
even though the site itself is public, the data on it can be
copyrighted.  And use for other than the intended purpose (i.e. personal
use by the browser) is a violation of copyrights.

You can do whatever you want when you own all of the resources.  But
when you start using someone else's resources, you can get into serious
trouble.  I recommend you talk to an attorney about it.  He'll set you
straight.

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Richard wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>  news:PZWdnfg7j5vlRW_anZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@co
mcast.com... 
>
> Wow Jerry,
> that's a lot of ifs. Now what if not?
>
> Information on a website is public, and meant to be accessed.
>
> Within limits. Of course.
>
> R.
>
>
>
>
>

Oh, and BTW - that's not many "ifs".  The ONLY "if" which counts is "if"
the website owner allows such access.  And it would have to be
*explicit* - not implicit, at least in the U.S.

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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:56:56 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>Richard wrote: 
>
>It is meant to be accessed within the limits the owner puts on it.  And
>even though the site itself is public, the data on it can be
>copyrighted.  And use for other than the intended purpose (i.e. personal
>use by the browser) is a violation of copyrights.
>

This from someone who doesn't even HAVE a website.
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"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Richard wrote: 
>
> It is meant to be accessed within the limits the owner puts on it.
> And even though the site itself is public, the data on it can be
> copyrighted.  And use for other than the intended purpose (i.e.
> personal use by the browser) is a violation of copyrights.
>
> You can do whatever you want when you own all of the resources.  But
> when you start using someone else's resources, you can get into
> serious trouble.  I recommend you talk to an attorney about it.
> He'll set you straight.
>

*sigh*

This is not going to be another one of "those" endless discussions.

Bye.

R.

Richard wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>  news:tOednbL50thvem_anZ2dnUVZ_u7inZ2d@co
mcast.com... 
>
> *sigh*
>
> This is not going to be another one of "those" endless discussions.
>
> Bye.
>
> R.
>
>
>

As I said - see your attorney.  He'll tell you you can't do anything you
want with someone else's website.


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On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:03:38 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>Richard wrote: 
>
>As I said[slap]

Psst. Stuckie.  He said he's not going to argue with you.  Fool.

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I do not want to discuss the ethics in this discussion. The site is
public with free membership. Since I respect the host owner i will
include a time delay between queries.It will not burden host more than
a user.I only see no reason not to automate the process.

raven wrote:
> I do not want to discuss the ethics in this discussion. The site is
> public with free membership. Since I respect the host owner i will
> include a time delay between queries.It will not burden host more than
> a user.I only see no reason not to automate the process.
>

As I said - public does not mean you can do whatever you want.  I highly
suggest you talk to an attorney.  If you do this without permission, you
could land yourself in a lot of trouble.

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raven wrote:
> I do not want to discuss the ethics in this discussion. The site is
> public with free membership. Since I respect the host owner i will
> include a time delay between queries.It will not burden host more than
> a user.I only see no reason not to automate the process.
>

And BTW - that is not an ethical situation - it is a legal one.

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