Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.

On Tuesday 25 March 2008 10:50:15 Richard Hainsworth wrote:

> What the perl6 language needs now is a systematic development plan, with
> broad aims and clear goals that will lead to good quality software and
> to the tools to enable ordinary programmers to use perl6 for a variety
> of tasks.

Perl 6 has had several plans over the past eight years.  What Perl 6 hasn't
had in quite a while is paid developer time.

Plans are good and plans are fine, but I've never seen a plan do the
red-green-refactor loop once, let alone the few million times it'll take to
finish Perl 6.0.

-- c

On Tuesday 25 March 2008 10:50:15 Richard Hainsworth wrote:

> What the perl6 language needs now is a systematic development plan, with
> broad aims and clear goals that will lead to good quality software and
> to the tools to enable ordinary programmers to use perl6 for a variety
> of tasks.

Richard Dice mentioned that I should elaborate, lest it sound like I'm tryin
g
to lecture Richard Hainsworth (not my intent, and I apologize for doing so).

It's important to keep in mind the degree to which one or two volunteers goi
ng
on vacation can slow the progress of Rakudo (for a recent example) or to
which one or volunteers putting in a few extra hours of visible work can
improve the progress of Parrot (for a slightly less recent example).

A plan that includes some degree of funding will help Perl 6 arrive much
sooner.  Previous plans glossed over this part, which is one reason they
didn't work out in the long term.

I just want to make sure that any discussion of a plan acknowledges that
there's a fixed amount of work to go and an unknown amount of available
resources to implement the plan.

-- c

Richard Hainsworth wrote:

> Consider the position you put me, or another sponsor, in.

I want to endorse everything Richard then went on to say.

I have already contacted Uri and expressed my dismay at his entirely
inappropriate interjection of an advertisement for our Perl College event in
to
this discussion about funding for critical Perl projects and personnel. And 
I
am especially upset that anyone might ever feel pressured to be involved in
any project or sponsorship just because my name and reputation were invoked 
on
its behalf.

It's critical that we find ways to support those in the Perl community who a
re
either building our future or (just as importantly) maintaining our present.
But injecting UCE into such discussions does not further that goal, and I am
sincerely sorry that it was done in my name.

Damian

On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 08:26:35PM +0100, James Fuller wrote:
: oh ya and the ability to mate .... right we can
: leave the last one off ;)

No we can't.  That is *precisely* what this whole business of derivable
grammars is about, and it came about because you couldn't mate two
source filters in Perl 5 and end up with viable offspring.  Biology
has more or less solved this by making point mutations *point* mutations.
Source filters are more like a blast of gamma rays to the entire genome.

Larry

Damian Conway (Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:39 AM):

> I have already contacted Uri and expressed my dismay at his entirely
> inappropriate interjection of an advertisement for our Perl College
> event into
> this discussion about funding for critical Perl projects and =
personnel.

There are at least 2 places where such things *would* be appropriate
to mention (suitably revised according to your wishes, of course):

http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6...ons_and_fundra=
isi
ng

http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6...l_6_marketplace

Best regards,
Conrad Schneiker

www.AthenaLab.com

http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6=A0 =97 Official Perl 6 Wiki
http://www.perlfoundation.org/parrot =97 Official Parrot Wiki


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damian Conway [mailto:thoughtstream@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Damian Conway
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 3:39 AM
> To: perl6-users@perl.org; perl6-language@perl.org
> Subject: Re: Perl 6 fundraising and related topics.
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> Richard Hainsworth wrote:
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> I want to endorse everything Richard then went on to say.
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> I have already contacted Uri and expressed my dismay at his entirely
> inappropriate interjection of an advertisement for our Perl College
> event into
> this discussion about funding for critical Perl projects and =
personnel.
> And I
> am especially upset that anyone might ever feel pressured to be
> involved in
> any project or sponsorship just because my name and reputation were
> invoked on
> its behalf.
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> It's critical that we find ways to support those in the Perl community
> who are
> either building our future or (just as importantly) maintaining our
> present.
> But injecting UCE into such discussions does not further that goal, =
and
> I am
> sincerely sorry that it was done in my name.
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> Damian