Daylight saving in NSW

On 30 Mar 2008, nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:
 
>
> Funny. Do you really think that leaving the clock alone, but changing
> the starting time of everything you do makes any difference
> whatsoever?

Absolutely!  I means not having to screw with the clock and clock-type
mechanisms such as computer time.

> It still means you have to get up one hour earlier.

Sure, either way.  Whether a person likes that or not is varying but why
make people change their clocks - just to aggravate them more?

> I like DST. We have one more hour of daylight in the evening, so it
> really makes me feel that summer is on its way.

Move to Tortuga; it's summer there all the time.

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Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias.com/_eml/fliam.php> wrote:
 
>
> Absolutely!  I means not having to screw with the clock and clock-type
> mechanisms such as computer time.

My computer sets the change automatically.

 
>
> Sure, either way.  Whether a person likes that or not is varying but why
> make people change their clocks - just to aggravate them more?

Probably because it's a lot easier to only change the clock, than to
change every time table and every schedule. I'm sure people would find
that much more impractical and would miss regular meetings, planes,
trains and busses before they finally got used to the new schadules. But
hey, I didn't invent DST, so don't ask me why it was done this way and
not another way.
 
>
> Move to Tortuga; it's summer there all the time.

I didn't say I want it to be summer all the time.



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Neredbojias wrote:
> On 29 Mar 2008, Ed Mullen <ed@edmullen.net> wrote:
> 
>
> Btw, check out my new email address.  I couldn't get it to "go through"
> without sticking the "me@" in front, but the link seems to work.

Could it be that it's not an e-mail address.


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//Aho

Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
> Neredbojias <ex@example.com> wrote:
> 
>
> Funny. Do you really think that leaving the clock alone, but changing
> the starting time of everything you do makes any difference whatsoever?
> It still means you have to get up one hour earlier.
>
> I like DST. We have one more hour of daylight in the evening, so it
> really makes me feel that summer is on its way.

I hate the thought of change the clock twice a year, if people wants one
more hour of daylight in the evening, then just see to that the
state/country switches timezone one step to the right, for example most
of Europe would just change from CET to EET and the problem is solved
and no need to switch the clock, whats the point to change the time for
a couple of months when the standard time is used, DST is used the
majority of the year.


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//Aho

In article <Xns9A70D0408CAA8arbpenyahoocom@69.28.186.121>,
Adrienne Boswell <arbpen@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme
> <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> writing in news:doraymeRidThis-
> A9BDFE.13582730032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au:
> 
> hour 
> to 
> my 
>
> I hate daylight saving time.  It's a waste of time.  The sun isn't going
> to do anything different just because we want it to, and Bessy the cow
> isn't going to give milk any sooner, just because Old McDonald's buyers
> are the the farm an hour earlier.  Traffic accidents spike at the
> beginning of DST, because our internal clocks don't give a hoot what the
> clock says either - we're losing an hour of sleep.
>
> I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether.

Until recently the state of Indiana (US) allowed counties to set their
own rule regarding DST.  Comparing actual energy usage before and after
the state legislature forced everyone to DST and allowing for yearly
temperature variations, using neighboring counties as controls, showed
an increase in energy usage.  See
<http://gizmodo.com/365527/daylight-...ctually-waste-e
nergy> for more details.

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dorayme wrote:
> In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
> w later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour
> today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis
> (set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to
> manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my
> machine at fault (not me, of course.)
>
Why hasn't Jukka joined the thread, to scream that this belongs in
comp.systems.clocks? (Hmm, he didn't even complain that the Easter egg
thread belonged in rec.food.chocolate.)

J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:

> I hate the thought of change the clock twice a year, if people wants one
> more hour of daylight in the evening, then just see to that the
> state/country switches timezone one step to the right, for example most
> of Europe would just change from CET to EET and the problem is solved
> and no need to switch the clock, whats the point to change the time for
> a couple of months when the standard time is used, DST is used the
> majority of the year.

DST is not about having one more hour of daylight in the evening. It's
about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are
active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why
it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits).

In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or
using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour
of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and
are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than
having an extra hour of daylight in the evening.

That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer,
because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it
from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed
time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work
from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five.


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In article <1iem555.1sefj0rj6ho9hN%nomail@please.invalid>,
nomail@please.invalid (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

> Probably because it's a lot easier to only change the clock, than to
> change every time table and every schedule. I'm sure people would find
> that much more impractical and would miss regular meetings, planes,
> trains and busses before they finally got used to the new schadules. But
> hey, I didn't invent DST, so don't ask me why it was done this way and
> not another way.

Years ago, the Canadian railways refused to change their schedules to
accommodate DST, so if you were taking the train  you had to figure it
all out an hour earlier (and this was in the days when their were two
railways and you actually _could_ take a train to most places in
Canada). It caused all sorts of problems; you'd walk into a railway
station and time seemed to move backwards. Nowadays they (the railways)
change with the Americans like everyone else except in that little town
in Saskatchewan where the mayor still pokes a stick into a cow patty at
noon every day to measure the angle of the sun.
--
W. Oates

In article <13uue50sovdbeef@corp.supernews.com>,
Phil Kempster <phil@kempster.info> wrote:

> Couldn't agree more.  If you want to trade with an adjoining time zone,
> get up an hour earlier [1].  You don't have to bother the cows and the
> school children at all, let the rest of us stay in tune with the sun.
> It's crazy that we're totally controlled by little mechanical devices
> strapped to our wrists.
>
> [1] I live in a half hour time zone, like Newfoundland!

Venezuela?
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W. Oates

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 14:19:11 +0200, Johan W. Elzenga wrote:

> J.O. Aho <user@example.net> wrote:
> 
>
> DST is not about having one more hour of daylight in the evening. It's
> about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are
> active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why
> it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits).
>
> In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or
> using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour
> of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and
> are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than
> having an extra hour of daylight in the evening.
>
> That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer,
> because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it
> from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed
> time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work
> from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five.

This thread is amazing as the folks that _think_ they can get an extra
hour of sunlite.  The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the
reality of this is you don't get an extra hour.  All days have approx. 24
hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it.

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