[LogoForum] More primitives? or More direct action? (an another rug)

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HI LOGO FANS!!!!!!!

I want to add something to the "wish list" to the future "Logos":
What do we want?
More primitives?
More speed in the graphics?
More direct action (with less Logo words)?
I think the central point could be resume in the following personal
history:
When I started to teach Logo, with the excellent 8 bit Atari
computers, one teacher asked me: "But I think it's just a playing
time. It doesn't have really power!". I didn't answer him
immediately. Remember, with those "powerful" machines we had 320*192
pixels screen and 3 colors at the same time ONLY. Then, for example,
if we get to draw the silhouette line of a human body... was a very
great thing!
Well, I showed him the human body drawing and he said: "So great! But
you don't do it with Logo" I started to laugh and I told him: "This
is Logo!" And I explained him how:
We split the human body in small pieces (head, neck, arms, hands,
brest, trunk, legs and feet). Then all those pieces was drawing with
their corresponding Logo procedure. BUT IN ALL CASES WE JUST USE ONLY
TEN LOGO PRIMITIVES TO DO IT (To, End, FD, BK, RT, LT, HOME, PD, PU
and SETPOS).
Can you "catch" the idea?
Sometimes we don't need more primitives to get something, but a very
good "test" of our mental tree to how to do... something.
I've missed this "tree" in MSWLogo. Some Logo versions have this
procedures tree, it's a good way to see where is our fault.
Then a complex thing can be done with a few very simple things.
This is the essence of Logo!
Of course, I agree with all whom want more speed in graphics.
But I think a very good goal would be more direct action, in other
words, more direct comunication between the Logo word (command or
primitive) and the PC gnome to get speed and (maybe) the posibility
to run a Logo procedure without the Logo central program (direct on
the Windows deck).
Well, it's only a crazy idea or... Not enough crazy?

At last, another rug (a fractal maybe?) to MSWLOGO:

to rug
cs ct home window
scrollx 0 scrolly 0 zoom 1
setsc [0 0 0]
setpensize [0 0]
pu ht
design
end

to design
make "x1 -400
make "y1 300
make "x2 400
make "y2 -300
make "color random 16
repeat 800 [setpc :color
pu setpos (list :x1 :y1) pd setpos (list :x2 :y2) pu
make "x1 :x1+1
make "x2 :x2-1
make "color :color+1]
make "x1 400
make "y1 300
make "x2 -400
make "y2 -300
repeat 601 [setpc :color
pu setpos (list :x1 :y1) pd setpos (list :x2 :y2) pu
make "y1 :y1-1
make "y2 :y2+1
make "color :color+1]
pu home
design
End

You only type: "rug"

GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!!

Juan J. Paredes G.
> =46rom Curic=F3, Chile, South America, with love


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