Seeking help for learning system for absolute beginners

Lon wrote:

> NT variants can run for ws or longer without going unstable.
^^^^^
>

Another rousing recommendation!

rpl wrote:

> krw wrote:
>
> ain't; they work fine as a personal computer OS, if consistently working
> isn't a big priority.

Keep 'em coming folks.  Sounds like an OS I'd really want to run.

For 95/98/98SE, the ability to drop down to DOS,
> fiddle around then restart win.exe is a *very* nice thing to have for
> maintenance chores.

OS/2 does this just fine.  It's really a great OS, it's just too bad IBM
doesn't support it anymore;-)

On 1/28/08 6:35 PM, in article
MPG.2207920a98a7cb389896c2@news.individual.net, "krw" <kkk@kkk.kkk> wrote:

> In article <43686d40-7c4f-4a94-a7d4-0eaf554f8b96
> @s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, winston19842005@yahoo.com says... 
>
> No, I'm a lot smarter than that.

You'd have to prove it, with all your silly arguments.
> 
>
> Yes, and never done correctly.
>
How would you have them done? Win95 had a real DOS that Windows ran on top
of, not this "silly emulation" we have with the later products. DOSBox does
a better job of emulating DOS than the shell XP provides.
 
>
> Diskcopy was notorious for XXXXing up LFN->SFN mapping and then
> corresponding registry entries.

You were using Diskcopy? Did you by any chance look at the system tools that
included utilities to save/restore LFNs?
> 
>
> No, it certainly did not.

I ran multiple applications out of Win3.1 and later Win for workgroups.

> 
>
> Even if he is?  Bullshit.

The reply I expect from an XXXXXXX. Forget the problem definition &
requirements - you know better.

> 
>
> There goes any credibility you might have had.

It was part tongue in ch - not enough to rate an emoticon. But VMS was a
much better OS than DOS, Windows or Linux. Perhaps we should be running
TOPS-20.

In article <479e5fe4$0$30718$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com says...
> rpl wrote:
> 
>
> Keep 'em coming folks.  Sounds like an OS I'd really want to run.
>
> For 95/98/98SE, the ability to drop down to DOS, 
>
> OS/2 does this just fine.  It's really a great OS, it's just too bad IBM
> doesn't support it anymore;-)

I guess! I'd still be using it if at all possible.

--
Keith

In article <479e5e80$0$30718$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com says...
> rpl wrote: 
>
>
> get infected and just reinstall in a couple minutes.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I guess this is a virtue for windoze.

Windows was never as easy to install as OS/2.  Windows loves that
stinking registry.  With OS/2 one just keeps all applications on a
separate partition.  If a reinstall is wanted, just blow away the OS
partition, install, and drag the apps back to the desktop.  Done.
It takes me ws to do the same with XP (just went through it).

--
Keith

Peter Flass wrote:
> rpl wrote: 
>
>
> get infected and just reinstall in a couple minutes.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I guess this is a virtue for windoze.

yup, when in Rome, shoot Roman candles; note that my system has never
been infected, but I used to reinstall 2-3 times a year just to clean
things up.


rpl

First of all, if you haven't already done so, read Mindstorms. It's a
really nice book about using computers to teach concepts. It's from
the (co?) You can download it for free by signing up for a free, no-
strings attached web account. Which is written by the way by Seymour
Papert, co-developer of Logo. More on acquiring the Mindstorms pdf is
to be found here: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2609

Concerning programming languages there is something to say for Etoys.
Not just for it's easy scripting, but also because of the momentum the
OLPC is giving it. Different groups around the world are implementing
Etoys activities for for example maths and learning English. And I
know for example OLE Nepal and OLPC Austria/a group of European based
OLPC hackers are right now looking for ways to collaborate and
internationalize those activities. You could benefit directly from
that. They would only require translating and if stuff pans out as
planned that would require not much more than the translating itself.

Note that this isn't OLPC specific, just Etoys specific. And Etoys,
through Squeak (a Smalltalk implementation) runs on any of the major
operating systems. At the moment OLE Nepal is also looking at ways to
integrate this with server-based performance tracking, something that
the Sugar devs mmare also working on. I'd say you should really drop
the OLE Nepal team a line and see where they're heading
(olenepal.org).

In line with that I'd also suggest using Sugar. You would be able to
leverage a lot of development power for exactly the purpose you're
aiming at. But with not so much linux knowledge i can see how that can
be a bit difficult to set up. But it's very much worth a try. And you
definetely want to give Linux a try. You're gonna feel a bit uncertain
in the beginning but it will pay off in the end. Also I suspect you'd
get lots of support from the Linux community.

Also try Malaysian linux groups for help. I know The OLE Nepal guys
have gotten nice local support for for example Devanagari encoding in
Linux.

/Ties

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:48:18 -0800 (PST), pg <penang@catholic.org>
wrote:

>On Jan 28, 2:00 am, rpl <plinna...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
> 
>
>We got a whole stack of Win98SE CD, all genuine Microsoft issue! That
>enables us to use Win98SE without fear that the government will raid
>us with flimsy "copyright violation" or even "multimedia piracy"
>excuses.
>
>Not that we do anything illegal (we are trying to do the right thing
>in a crime infested slum area), but the government the rule Malaysia
>does not like our religion (hint, hint) nor the race of our
>volunteers / target audience. (but that's politics, dirty and ugly
>politics, offtopic here, sorry!) But it happened elsewhere to other
>Catholic run operations ! We just have to be careful, that's all.

But the previous poster had a point.  You could sell the Windows CDs
and use Linux for free.  Obviously I don't know the local politics,
but I don't think the authorities would bust you for using free
software.  It's more likely they'll bust you for letting the children
access forbidden web sites.

George
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:32:14 -0700, Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Timofei Shatrov wrote: 
>Yeah, almost as good as Win/98SE with the 64K GDI limit and still not
>too much more advanced than Win/95b with TCP/IP 1.2 other than some USB
>support.   Not even in the same ballpark stability wise as the NT
>kernels.  Somewhat difficult to run even 98SE for long periods of time
>without a reboot to clear the GDI leaks and memory cruft.  NT variants
>can run for ws or longer without going unstable.

98 (all versions) had 128KB GDI and much better recycling than 95.

The only people I know who had problems with Winsock were those who
tried to use the incompetant MFC CSocket implementations.  Raw Winsock
worked flawlessly from version 1.1 (95b) onward.

George
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On 1/29/08 2:16 PM, in article 2vtup35n6aoogl2boqpc92hcot54ldl980@4ax.com,
"George Neuner" <gneuner2/@/comcast.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:58:11 -0500, winston19842005
> <bjjlyates@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>
> I did application development on 98SE for almost a year.  The machine
> needed a reboot every couple of days.
>
> It's the extras (themes, multimedia, etc.) that are the problem with
> Windows - the core OS and GUI are very stable and have been for many
> years.  The company I worked for delivered kiosk and embedded apps on
> Windows (95/98/NT4/2K) that were extremely stable because we
> controlled the environment.  I've seen NT4 servers stay up for over a
> year (don't run IIS, Exchange Server, or Oracle 9 on them though).
> I'm currently still doing development on XPpro (though it's waning)
> and I reboot the development machine on average less than once a
> month.

We run IIS at work - those servers are pretty unstable, yes. Always having
to restart the service, or reboot...