new hp pcl printers not compat with hp?

we have few hp1200, hp1015 and hp1160 printers working with dos
app/pcl
dos app prepares pcl font, sends it to the printer, and later sends
page by page of clear text, it works nice with old printers
new hp2014 is also very nice lpt pcl5 printer, but it has strange
timeout
if next page is not sent inside few seconds interval, printer resets
previously downloaded fonts to default font, so successive pages became
useless

is there some pjl setting to remove this timeout [i've already seen
few posts people canceled their new hp printer purchase by the reason they
are not compatible with old pcl5 style]

any suggestion?

Have you tried PCL <Esc>*c5F command to designate the just downloaded
font as 'permanent'?

Just a thought...

 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
On Mar 19, 1:28=A0pm, "sali" <s...@euroherc.hr> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 we have few hp1200, hp1015 and hp1160 printers working with do=[/color
]
s
> app/pcl
> =A0 =A0 =A0 dos app prepares pcl font, sends it to the printer, and later =[/color
]
sends
> page by page of clear text, it works nice with old printers
> =A0 =A0 =A0 new hp2014 is also very nice lpt pcl5 printer, but it has stra=[/color
]
nge
> timeout
> =A0 =A0 =A0 if next page is not sent inside few seconds interval, printer =[/color
]
resets
> previously downloaded fonts to default font, so successive pages became
> useless
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 is there some pjl setting to remove this timeout [i've already=[/color
]
seen
> few posts people canceled their new hp printer purchase by the reason they=[/color
]

> are not compatible with old pcl5 style]
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 any suggestion?

"E. Fridman" <pm771.am@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6e7372a-8e9d-42cb-8298-26324502b2ca@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Have you tried PCL <Esc>*c5F command to designate the just downloaded
font as 'permanent'?

> if next page is not sent inside few seconds interval, printer resets
> previously downloaded fonts to default font, so successive pages became
> useless
>
> is there some pjl setting to remove this timeout [i've already seen
> few posts people canceled their new hp printer purchase by the reason they
> are not compatible with old pcl5 style]


i'll check tomorow famong with some other ideas]

again, was surpised discovering that printing system that worked for last 15
years [on *every* hp pcl printer, from hp 4l upward] crashed on the new
"pcl5e" hp laserjet

Dear sali:

On Mar 19, 10:28=A0am, "sali" <s...@euroherc.hr> wrote:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 we have few hp1200, hp1015 and hp1160 printers
> working with dos app/pcl
=2E..
>       new hp2014 is also very nice lpt pcl5 printer,
> but it has strange timeout

What operating system?  Just DOS, XP, or Vista, and/or does the
problem follow the printer from machine to machine?

HP's troubleshooting page seems to offer no help.
<http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...tTaskIndex.jsp?
lang=3Den&cc=3Dus&prodTypeId=3D18972&prodSeriesId=3D3322555&taskId=3D110>

The operating system may close the current printer session, sending
the "printer reset" command, if it assumes the current printer job is
"stagnant" for a period of time.

Here is the installation manual:
<http://bizsupport.austin.hp.com/bc/.../SupportManual/
c01064410/c01064410.pdf>

Here is the User's guide:
<http://bizsupport.austin.hp.com/bc/.../SupportManual/
c00810215/c00810215.pdf>

There is no indication that this "job pause reset" is in any way
associated with the printer hardware / firmware.  This leaves driver
and OpSys as the likely culprits.

David A. Smith

Here is the command description (from
[url]http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/bpl13205/bpl13205.pdf[/url
]):

Font Control

Provides the means for manipulating soft fonts within the printer.
<Esc> * c # F
# = 0 - Delete all soft fonts
1 - Delete all temporary soft fonts
2 - Delete soft font (last ID specified)
3 - Delete Character Code (last ID and character code)
4 - Make soft font temporary (last ID specified)
5 - Make soft font permanent (last ID specified)
6 - Copy/Assign current invoked font as temporary

Another source with the full description:
[url]http://www.intellitech-intl.com/techsupp/techdocs/programmersrefman/section7.pdf[/
url]

On Mar 19, 1:28=A0pm, "E. Fridman" <pm771...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is the command description (from
<snip now broken link>>
> =A0Font Control
>
> =A0Provides the means for manipulating soft fonts within
> the printer.
> =A0<Esc> * c # F
> =A0# =3D 0 - Delete all soft fonts
> =A01 - Delete all temporary soft fonts
> =A02 - Delete soft font (last ID specified)
> =A03 - Delete Character Code (last ID and character code)
> =A04 - Make soft font temporary (last ID specified)
> =A05 - Make soft font permanent (last ID specified)
> =A06 - Copy/Assign current invoked font as temporary
>
> Another source with the full description:
<snip another now broken link>

Depends on what "sali" means by "reset".  If the printer is receiving
a reset command, the page could eject, leaving the following partial
page without headers.  Even if you make these soft fonts permanent.

He might have to print it all to a file first, then dump the file to
the printer.  Or print each page to a file, and send one page each n-1
seconds to keep the connection alive.

David A. Smith

"dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7432e7c7-8a2c-4a03-a975-67cff1ef3eb7@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Dear sali:

On Mar 19, 10:28 am, "sali" <s...@euroherc.hr> wrote:
> we have few hp1200, hp1015 and hp1160 printers
> working with dos app/pcl
...
>       new hp2014 is also very nice lpt pcl5 printer,
> but it has strange timeout

What operating system?  Just DOS, XP, or Vista, and/or does the
problem follow the printer from machine to machine?

HP's troubleshooting page seems to offer no help.
<http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...tTaskIndex.jsp?
lang=en&cc=us&prodTypeId=18972&prodSeriesId=3322555&taskId=110>

The operating system may close the current printer session, sending
the "printer reset" command, if it assumes the current printer job is
"stagnant" for a period of time.

Here is the installation manual:
<http://bizsupport.austin.hp.com/bc/.../SupportManual/
c01064410/c01064410.pdf>

Here is the User's guide:
<http://bizsupport.austin.hp.com/bc/.../SupportManual/
c00810215/c00810215.pdf>

There is no indication that this "job pause reset" is in any way
associated with the printer hardware / firmware.  This leaves driver
and OpSys as the likely culprits.

--------------------------------

thnx for details

it was tested on w98 [to avoid as much as possible the xp "hal" tricks], and
it is not likely to be *os* problem, since the same app on the same comp
works for many years when plugged hp1160 [or hp1200 or hp1320 or hp1015 or
hp1022 or hp1100 or hp6l or hp6p or ... (have a realy good collection of hp
printers)] , and not work when hp2014 plugged

there is no "current" session, just:
copy /b font-file lpt1
wait few seconds
copy /b report-file lpt1

if "few seconds" is less than 7, the report is printed out using font-file
char shapes
if "few seconds" are greater than 7, the report is printed out by printer's
default font [ugly]

conclusion is that at the time boundary of 7 seconds printer decides to
erase received font def and revert to defaults
at the same time, with the mentioned old hp1160 [and all the rest] there is
no time limit, once downloaded, font may be used anytime untill printer is
switched off

again, this is a problem only with delayed printout within pages, when
report is sent as "burst" no problem, also when this hp2014 plugged instead
of hp6l the existing pcl5 driver prints from win app without any prob

this is not a "catastrophic" problem, since dos/text apps may be rewritten
[if no other solution], just was surprised that hp is not compat with hp
[and till now the compatibility along generations was the important feature
of hp laserjet]

Dear sali:

"sali" <sali@tel.net.ba> wrote in message
news:frru2g$36s$1@ls5.tel.net.ba...
...
> also when this hp2014 plugged instead of hp6l the
> existing pcl5 driver prints from win app without any
> prob

OK, so it is a *driver* problem.  I would suggest you contact HP,
and have them explain why they have deviated.  Try adding the
escape code sequence to the soft font file that makes it
"permanent", or add it as a separate operation... see if it works
better for you.

David A. Smith

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <dlzc1@cox.net> je napisao u poruci interesnoj
grupi:VilEj.72768$497.23331@newsfe14.phx...
> Dear sali:
>
> "sali" <sali@tel.net.ba> wrote in message
> news:frru2g$36s$1@ls5.tel.net.ba...
> ... 
>
> OK, so it is a *driver* problem.  I would suggest you contact HP, and have
> them explain why they have deviated.  Try adding the escape code sequence
> to the soft font file that makes it "permanent",


added esc *c5F [make soft font permanent, last id specified], with no
success

it is not the *driver* problem, but the *firmware* problem, since printer's
internal program behavies differntly [than the old pcl5 printers]

it is a question what is now the meaning of "temporary" vs "permanent" font,
if downloaded  font is at any case removed from the printer's memory after 7
seconds of inactivity

no doubt, this may be solved by app, i just hoped somebody else in the world
has alo faced this pcl problem with new printers
or nobody else is anymore programming pcl printers, just using win drivers?

Osoba podpisana jako sali <sali@tel.net.ba> w artykule
<news:frru2g$36s$1@ls5.tel.net.ba> pisze:

> "dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:7432e7c7-8a2c-4a03-a975-67cff1ef3eb7@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com..
> Dear sali:
[...] 
>
> thnx for details
>
> it was tested on w98 [to avoid as much as possible the xp "hal" tricks],
> and it is not likely to be *os* problem, since the same app on the same
> comp works for many years when plugged hp1160 [or hp1200 or hp1320 or
> hp1015 or hp1022 or hp1100 or hp6l or hp6p or ... (have a realy good
> collection of hp  printers)] , and not work when hp2014 plugged
>
> there is no "current" session, just:
> copy /b font-file lpt1
> wait few seconds
> copy /b report-file lpt1

You should copy the files together, not one after another.
Use command like that:

copy /b font-file + report-file LPT1

> if "few seconds" is less than 7, the report is printed out using
> font-file char shapes
> if "few seconds" are greater than 7, the report is printed out by
> printer's default font [ugly]

It seems to be 5 seconds and it seems to be default job timeout.

--
Andrzej P. Wozniak  uszer@pochta.onet.pl  (swap z<->h in address)