Clipper, Vista and side effects

My first customer installed Vista (Basic) and did not agree to run a
programm (clipper 5.3b) in a window.
To enable full screen mode I've installed standard video driver and now
I have following problems:
- default refresh rate is too low and CRT monitor blinks while working
with windows programms. Is it possible to change this rate?
- program hangs after:
? chr(7)    //bell
msetcursor(.t.)

Has anyone experienced other problems?

Those effects are not present on my home's vista with original video
driver (and text screens in a window only).

Another way to work in full screen is installing XP version of video
driver but i've read it could cause unstability. Has someone tried it?

Hello!

XDDM drivers are the answer. Matrox has them, for example:

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/c...1024234745.html
quote:

Matrox Graphics also decided not to redevelop drivers specifically for
Windows Vista, as a result, end-users will have to use the so-called
XDDM drivers for Vista, which virtually means using Windows XP
drivers. Nevertheless, Matrox claims that this is not a drawback,
but an advantage.


I AGREE! :)

BTW, what graphics card has your first customer's PC?

Regards, Roman

"ktos" <ktos@nikt.pl> wrote in message news:fr9c0k$5t6$1@node2.news.atman.pl...
> My first customer installed Vista (Basic) and did not agree to run a progr
amm (clipper 5.3b) in a window.
> To enable full screen mode I've installed standard video driver and now I 
have following problems:
> - default refresh rate is too low and CRT monitor blinks while working
>   with windows programms. Is it possible to change this rate?
> - program hangs after:
>   ? chr(7)    //bell
>   msetcursor(.t.)
>
> Has anyone experienced other problems?
>
> Those effects are not present on my home's vista with original video drive
r (and text screens in a window only).
>
> Another way to work in full screen is installing XP version of video drive
r but i've read it could cause unstability. Has someone
> tried it?

"ktos" <ktos@nikt.pl> je napisao u poruci interesnoj
grupi:fr9c0k$5t6$1@node2.news.atman.pl...
> My first customer installed Vista (Basic) and did not agree to run a
> programm (clipper 5.3b) in a window.

is there some divantage to run in full-sized windowed mode [the window
that covers the whole screen]? the only problem could be to minimise win
frame borders and title bar
i am not sure for xp, but should expect that cmd win borders are fully
adjustable [disappearable]

Dear sali:

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> "ktos" <ktos@nikt.pl> je napisao u poruci interesnoj
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>
> is there some divantage to run in full-sized windowed
> mode [the window that covers the whole screen]?

Micro$haft "deprecates" full screen DOS console windows on Vista.
It is not available with any current video driver, and these
drivers will autoupdate whenever Micro$haft feels like messing up
your customer's system.

> the only problem could be to minimise win frame
> borders and title bar.  i am not sure for xp, but should
> expect that cmd win borders are fully adjustable
> [disappearable]

Works fine on XP and below.  Will not work on Vista, unless you
install outdated 16-bit drivers.

David A. Smith

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> Dear sali:
>
> "sali" <sali@euroherc.hr> wrote in message
> news:frambr$md9$1@ls5.tel.net.ba... 
>
> Micro$haft "deprecates" full screen DOS console windows on Vista. It is
> not available with any current video driver,

sorry for missunderstanding

i was not talking about "full screen dos console", but about
"full-sized window"

so, in my case it is the regular window, except it is sized so that covers
as much as possible the whole screen.
there are still win borders and title bar that need to be removed playing
with console win properties

Sali, do you mean a Clipper app? have you found a way to let a Clipper app
have dimensions beyond the 80 (or 132) columns and 25 (or 50) rows? The only
way i know of is using tamedos console under xp, but have failed to find out
how to let the app detect mouse clicks beyond the 80/50 limit; i'm just
curious about what you're saying here

frank


"sali" <sali@euroherc.hr> wrote in message
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> "ktos" <ktos@nikt.pl> je napisao u poruci interesnoj
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>
> is there some divantage to run in full-sized windowed mode [the window
> that covers the whole screen]? the only problem could be to minimise win
> frame borders and title bar
> i am not sure for xp, but should expect that cmd win borders are fully
> adjustable [disappearable]
>
>

"frank van nuffel" <nospam@nospam.be> je napisao u poruci interesnoj
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> Sali, do you mean a Clipper app? have you found a way to let a Clipper app
> have dimensions beyond the 80 (or 132) columns and 25 (or 50) rows? The
> only
> way i know of is using tamedos console under xp, but have failed to find
> out
> how to let the app detect mouse clicks beyond the 80/50 limit; i'm just
> curious about what you're saying here
>

no, i am just adjusting font size, clipper is still 50/25/80 row/col

Thx for confirming

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app 
>
> no, i am just adjusting font size, clipper is still 50/25/80 row/col

On Mar 13, 6:27=A0am, "sali" <s...@euroherc.hr> wrote:
> "N:dlzcD:aol T:com (dlzc)" <dl...@cox.net> je napisao u poruci interesnoj
> grupi:AQ9Cj.47185$kp6.2...@newsfe07.phx...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> sorry for missunderstanding
>
> i was not talking about "full screen dos console", but
> about "full-sized window"

The OP says his customer will not accept a window, regardless of how
big one might make it.  See where he / she said "My first customer ...
did not agree to run ... in a window".

Micro$haft "Welcomes" you to your own hardware, and now intentionally
limits what you can do with it.

David A. Smith

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On Mar 13, 6:27 am, "sali" <s...@euroherc.hr> wrote:
> "N:dlzcD:aol T:com (dlzc)" <dl...@cox.net> je napisao u poruci interesnoj
> grupi:AQ9Cj.47185$kp6.2...@newsfe07.phx...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> sorry for missunderstanding
>
> i was not talking about "full screen dos console", but
> about "full-sized window"

The OP says his customer will not accept a window, regardless of how
big one might make it.


sorry for missunderstanding, but i found just "not accept a window", there
is no mention about screen-sized window, just "normal" window

i have few places where customer accepted reasonably big window, filling
almost whole screen.
windowed clipper app has also an advantage that screen-saver will not drop
full-screen to taskbar and confuse user, and other tools are also more
readily available when run in [big] window than dos-full-screen

anyway, i perfectly know what are you talking about, my solution is if you
may-not-beat-it, then at-least-try-to-avoid-it!