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Programming Forum and web based access to our favorite programming groups.My company is in the SaaS-enablement business.we have technology that transforms existing applications into ones that can be offered as a service over the internet on either a metered-use or subscription basis. We have mostly been working with enterprise ISVs to help them quickly launch SaaS offerings of their applications. Recently we have been developing a platform specifically targeted at shareware developers and micro-ISVs. It includes a "wrapping engine" that transforms an existing application into one that is web-enabled and can be offered on a metered ($ per hour) basis, and a hosting infrastructure for the wrapped applications that we manage and operate. End users create an account and can then immediately access any application in the library at the hourly fee specified by the application author and we remit the usage fees to the authors. We would like to get some feedback from the shareware community on this model, and the ASP suggested we post here. We feel that this model benefits end-users because: - it reduces the initial price of using applications - they have access to a greater variety of applications without purchasing each one individually - they don't need to download and install any software, which they may fear contains spyware, will pollute their registry, etc. For shareware developers the benefits are: - it offers an alternative revenue model which we think has a much higher upside than traditional shareware fees - it eliminates the need for shareware authors to manage license keys and process payments from end-users - it eliminates the threat of piracy - it enables more users to access their applications at a lower cost-of-entry point. We expect to announce the platform this summer in conjunction with one of the major shareware download sites, but in the meantime we would like to speak with some shareware developers who would be interested in testing their applications on our platform and advising us of their requirements and wish-lists. If you have any comments, positive or negative, on the business model, please post them here or send them to me by email. If you would like to work more closely with us to test our tools on your application and be early to market, please contact me to discuss. Many thanks. Gord Graham ggraham@wrappedapps.com
Post Follow-up to this message<ggraham@wrappedapps.com> wrote in message news:fu0gq6$kif$1@news-asp.cifnet.net... > > Recently we have been developing a platform specifically targeted at > shareware developers and micro-ISVs. It includes a "wrapping engine" that > transforms an existing application into one that is web-enabled and can be > offered on a metered ($ per hour) basis, and a hosting infrastructure for > the wrapped applications that we manage and operate. End users create an > account and can then immediately access any application in the library at > the hourly fee specified by the application author and we remit the usage > fees to the authors. I think this could work well for high priced applications. But for inexpensive applications that the user will be using every day I don't see that average consumer wanting to have to pay for ongoing use. Lots of people are fine with leasing cars but they would not lease a bicycle. How do you plan on compensating the ISVs? Would they get something just for being listed as an available application in your library or would they be getting a percentage of the money paid for each hour their application was accessed by each user?
Post Follow-up to this messageDoes your product work for Microsoft Office Add-Ins?
Post Follow-up to this messageDoes your model work with Microsoft Office Add-Ins?
Post Follow-up to this message<ggraham@wrappedapps.com> wrote in message news:fu0gq6$kif$1@news-asp.cifnet.net... > > Recently we have been developing a platform specifically targeted at > shareware developers and micro-ISVs. It includes a "wrapping engine" that > transforms an existing application into one that is web-enabled and can be > offered on a metered ($ per hour) basis, and a hosting infrastructure for > the wrapped applications that we manage and operate. End users create an > account and can then immediately access any application in the library at > the hourly fee specified by the application author and we remit the usage > fees to the authors. I think this could work well for high priced applications. But for inexpensive applications that the user will be using every day I don't see that average consumer wanting to have to pay for ongoing use. Lots of people are fine with leasing cars but they would not lease a bicycle. How do you plan on compensating the ISVs? Would they get something just for being listed as an available application in your library or would they be getting a percentage of the money paid for each hour their application was accessed by each user?
Post Follow-up to this messageHi Dan, These are great comments and questions. We want to get as much input as we can, because we want the platform to be driven by the needs and desires of the ISV community. We can support a number of revenue models, but what we are contemplating right now is that we will set a base access fee to the user to recover our hosting costs, and the ISV will specify the usage fee that they wish to charge users on top of that. That gives the ISV complete control over end-user pricing. We will collect the fees from the user, and remit the ISV's usage fee to their bank account on a monthly basis. Other models are possible for us...for instance, many SaaS applications are offered on a subscription basis. However, this makes it difficult for us to anticipate our hosting costs, and reduces flexibility for the end-user as they will have to subscribe and pay on an application-by-application basis. The ISV will prepare their application for SaaS delivery using the tools and processors we will provide on our Author's Center, and publish it to our SaaS platform to make it available to end-users. We anticipate that the Author's Center and publishing to our platform will be free for the ISV. For applications that are frequently used on a daily basis, the end-user may prefer to install it on their machine and purchase a perpetual license from the ISV, which can continue to be an option. However, salesforce.com and others have shown that this is not necessarily the case...many businesses are moving toward reducing the number of applications they have to install, support and manage on their employees' desktops, and many consumers are getting concerned about spyware, viruses, programs that won't uninstall correctly, etc. For the infrequent user of an application, this model is ideal, and my intuition is that the shareware developer will make more money by offering the application on an hourly basis to infrequent users rather than hoping that some percentage of them will pay the shareware fee. I expect that shareware developers will make more money on this model, and that they will have happier customers. They may even be able to increase the fee for a perpetual license for power-users. And of course it reduces the headaches associated with license keys, processing purchase transactions, customer support for installation problems, etc., and they don't have to pay an exorbitant margin to 3rd parties to sell the apps and process the purchases for them. We are thinking of demonstrating the process and platform at the Software Industry Conference in July, but we are also looking for ISVs who want to work with us beforehand so they can get out of the gate quickly. In fact, we have been busy downloading a bunch of shareware applications from various sites, wrapping them, and deploying them on our lab platform to test them. Thanks for your feedback. Look forward to hearing more. ...Gord <Dan@DanHite.com> wrote in message news:fu2cld$vqe$1@news-asp.cifnet.net... > > <ggraham@wrappedapps.com> wrote in message > news:fu0gq6$kif$1@news-asp.cifnet.net... > > I think this could work well for high priced applications. But for > inexpensive applications that the user will be using every day I don't see > that average consumer wanting to have to pay for ongoing use. Lots of > people are fine with leasing cars but they would not lease a bicycle. > > How do you plan on compensating the ISVs? Would they get something just > for > being listed as an available application in your library or would they be > getting a percentage of the money paid for each hour their application was > accessed by each user? > >
Post Follow-up to this messageHi Gord, > We want to get as much input as we can, because we want >the platform to be driven by the needs and desires of > the ISV community. I say this without bias but probably the best research money you can spend right now is the $100 membership fee to join the ASP. The members newsgroups there are very active - as active as this newsgroup is not - and you will receive many more comments both good and bad (members get pretty blunt - and more importantly much more candid) in the private newsgroups. For you it seems like a perfect and immediate fit. Thanks, Dexter Bell ASP - Sergeant at Arms saa@asp-shareware.org
Post Follow-up to this messageWill do...thanks Dexter. ...gord <dexter@theutilityfactory.com> wrote in message news:fu5dr6$2j03$1@news-asp.cifnet.net... > > Hi Gord, > > > I say this without bias but probably the best research money you can spend > right now is the $100 membership fee to join the ASP. The members > newsgroups > there are very active - as active as this newsgroup is not - and you will > receive many more comments both good and bad (members get pretty blunt - > and > more importantly much more candid) in the private newsgroups. > > For you it seems like a perfect and immediate fit. > > Thanks, > Dexter Bell > ASP - Sergeant at Arms > saa@asp-shareware.org > >
Post Follow-up to this messageI doubt it would work for Office Add-Ins unless we wrapped them with Office itself. Sorry. <ask_the_asp@taskline.com> wrote in message news:fu2iiv$emd$2@news-asp.cifnet.net... > > Does your product work for Microsoft Office Add-Ins? > >
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